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    foszoe

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    Ingomike said:
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    “That Didn’t Stop Me”: President Biden Brags that the Supreme Court Cannot Stop Him from Canceling Student Debt

    President Joe Biden held a press event to brag about a major accomplishment this week. That itself is hardly surprising in an election year, but the boast itself was rather curious. In announcing t…
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    So don’t whine when Trump does what he wants, like firing deep state swamp…
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    i have "whined" about Trump not firing deep state swamp to use your terminology.
     
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    Ingomike said:
    I posted that quote.


    You really just do not get where we are in politics today, otherwise known as what time it is. Everything you say sounds like what I said in Bush v Gore, it sounds so outdated, almost nostalgic.
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    What's nostalgic to me is all the rhetoric about we need to change the GOP, our only hope, is still just rhetoric. Been hearing it for years. If all these people who know what time it is were effective maybe the GOP would change.

    Maybe they are just a small group and can't get it done yet. Maybe they like telling other people they know what time it is.

    They seem to act like gnostics. When you ask them what time it is, they will tell you its time, but then the action to take based on what time it is seems to vary from one gnostic to the next.
     
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    foszoe said:
    What's nostalgic to me is all the rhetoric about we need to change the GOP, our only hope, is still just rhetoric. Been hearing it for years. If all these people who know what time it is were effective maybe the GOP would change.

    Maybe they are just a small group and can't get it done yet. Maybe they like telling other people they know what time it is.

    They seem to act like gnostics. When you ask them what time it is, they will tell you its time, but then the action to take based on what time it is seems to vary from one gnostic to the next.
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    The GOP has changed, just this week Paul Ryan lamented the change and Mike Pence pledged a $20 million dollar operation to change it back. Now changing out the elected positions of CoC will take a while, heck it has taken the dems near twenty years to get rid of all the blue dog Manchin types.
     
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    Ingomike said:
    The GOP has changed, just this week Paul Ryan lamented the change and Mike Pence pledged a $20 million dollar operation to change it back. Now changing out the elected positions of CoC will take a while, heck it has taken the dems near twenty years to get rid of all the blue dog Manchin types.
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    i hope you are right.
     
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    foszoe said:
    What's nostalgic to me is all the rhetoric about we need to change the GOP, our only hope, is still just rhetoric. Been hearing it for years. If all these people who know what time it is were effective maybe the GOP would change.

    Maybe they are just a small group and can't get it done yet. Maybe they like telling other people they know what time it is.

    They seem to act like gnostics. When you ask them what time it is, they will tell you its time, but then the action to take based on what time it is seems to vary from one gnostic to the next.
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    Almost time
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    This is exactly what @HKFaninCarmel does not understand. He is still “frustrated with their inability to guide the party back to the “respectable conservatism” of years past”.

    “Noah Rothman recently lamented that a generic conservative would be favored by the polls, and Republicans could taste success once more if only we simply return to our senses and nominate the generic conservative. This conclusion skirts the issue at hand, however. The GOP electorate is not clamoring for a return to a traditional conservative archetype.”

    @HKFaninCarmel does not get that “Trump’s ascendancy is not rooted in conventional political metrics” and keeps posting conventional thinking to the unconventional.

    He [Trump] is the only candidate in either party that embodies a genuine political movement, one with an appeal distinct from traditional policy platforms and partisan ideologies. His direct communication style, unyielding stance against perceived establishment forces, and readiness to challenge political norms resonate deeply with his supporters. It is an emotional connection and one that his political challengers have been unable to emulate let alone surpass. They see in Trump not just a leader, but a symbol of their values, frustrations, and aspirations. The most faithful supporters even believe he embodies America.”

    “The future of the GOP, therefore, is not just about choosing between different political strategies or ideologies. It’s about understanding and responding to a new political reality — one where the electorate seeks not just policies but a movement that aligns with their deepest convictions and emotions.”

    “There is no leader within the party that can currently accomplish this feat, and waxing on about the public’s apparent refusal to “see reason” is part of the problem. This dismissive attitude of Trump’s base only serves to deepen the divide between the old guard and the new base. Trump’s challengers failed because they did not communicate a compelling vision. Trump himself has a vision, and in the face of numerous challengers, it has proven near bulletproof.”

    “The Republican Party’s trajectory is inextricably linked to the unique political movement created by Trump. Acknowledging and understanding this phenomenon is crucial for the party’s evolution. As the GOP looks ahead, the key to its resurgence lies not in policy innovation but in the ability to inspire and lead a movement that resonates as powerfully with its base as Trump’s has.     Trump isn’t going away — nostalgic longing for the past won’t defeat him.”

    Well explained and Paul Ryan has acknowledged this is happening, likely why he quit.
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    Basically, the reason we’ve been frustrated with Republicans for decades is because they’ve never really been for average Americans. They’re for themselves, their country clubs, their chambers-o-commerce, their military industrial complex, their wars, their globalism, their legislation with patriotic sounding titles that allow spying on us. They keep campaigning on conservative values and then vote for backroom deals that harm us. **** them. You’re not getting THAT republican party back. It needs to die.
     
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    They may not be perfect men but at least you would think they could be a bit more humble by not proclaiming that "God is on our Side." It seems to be a bit politically presumptuous to proclaim that one is ordained by God.
     
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