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[foszoe]

Here is an excellent video on head coverings for women.

That was a pretty good video. I watched at least the 1st 2/3rd's but I fell asleep at some point. My wife converted from Roman Catholicism. We were in San Francisco and the ladies in that parish almost all wore head coverings. One of them cornered her and let her know they should have a head covering on. That was the most overt experience I have had on the subject. I THINK they even had scarves for guests at the entrance. My wife and worn one the first day but the second day she had forgot it.

After I watched your video, she walked by and heard enough of it that I had to tell her, its a video someone posted on the GUN Forum, just to keep me out of trouble. Anyway, we started talking and she let me know that in the 1960s during Vatican II, the Pope declared women no longer had to wear them.

The faith is slowly being chipped away.

 

[45sRfun]

That was a pretty good video. I watched at least the 1st 2/3rd's but I fell asleep at some point. My wife converted from Roman Catholicism. We were in San Francisco and the ladies in that parish almost all wore head coverings. One of them cornered her and let her know they should have a head covering on. That was the most overt experience I have had on the subject. I THINK they even had scarves for guests at the entrance. My wife and worn one the first day but the second day she had forgot it.

After I watched your video, she walked by and heard enough of it that I had to tell her, its a video someone posted on the GUN Forum, just to keep me out of trouble. Anyway, we started talking and she let me know that in the 1960s during Vatican II, the Pope declared women no longer had to wear them.

The faith is slowly being chipped away.

They always told us in the Lutheran church that it was just a custom from Corinth and does not apply to us, but after attending an Anabaptist church we started looking into it more and learned that it still applies. Here is a good article on head coverings you would appreciate:

Read Glory and Coverings | Leanpub

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[45sRfun]

The faith is slowly being chipped away.

On that note, see

Real Radicalism. . .

The sad truth is that the edge is not very sharp anymore. Being on the cutting edge of things with respect to worship or doctrine or exeges...

pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com

 

[foszoe]

On that note, see

Real Radicalism. . .

The sad truth is that the edge is not very sharp anymore. Being on the cutting edge of things with respect to worship or doctrine or exeges...

pastoralmeanderings.blogspot.com

The deacon that was my sponsor was a Lutheran. He was seeing such things in the 90s.

Jaroslav Pelikan was a Lutheran scholar that wad very influential in me leaving agnosticism behind.

I had no Lutheran friends when I went church shopping in the 80s so I have never attended a Lutheran worship.

I have been told there is a schism there similar to what the Methodist have went through recently.

There had been a large clamor for change in the Southern Baptist but they seem to be holding strong at least for now.

Of course I only have superficial knowledge of what is going on in other churches.

Have you heard of the magazine Salvo?

Salvo Magazine

Explorations of society, sex, and science from a Christian perspective.

salvomag.com

I used to enjoy that magazine. It talked about the church and all the cultural changes.

Touchstone was a good one also.

Touchstone: A Journal of Mere Christianity

:

www.touchstonemag.com

 

[45sRfun]

Have not heard of either, but they look good. Two that I frequent are,

Home - The American Vision

A Biblical Worldview Ministry

americanvision.org

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cnnewhaven.com

One article is on the big split in the Missouri Synod Lutheran Church (1970s)

http://cnnewhaven.com/62-03-01152024amJ/index.html#issue/9

 

[JettaKnight]

So this happened today at church. The congregation was quiet about when the pastor was talking about the Bible and how it contain God's command for us and our money, but sure shootin' the Amens went out when when he said how it contains God's commandments on the sanctity of marriage and sexuality.

It's really easy to condemn sin you don't struggle with and is outside your church.



If what I'm getting from church is how I'm better than others, then there's something seriously wrong.

 

[JettaKnight]

I don't get the intense clamor about the Pope allowing same sex unions to be blessed (well, ok, I do).

But seriously, that's the problem? It's not the works based salvation, or the apocrypha, or the Mariology, or any other misguided theology, like having a pope to begin with!

 

[DadSmith]

Newest NATO Member Escalates Prosecution Of Christians

The Finnish case could reach the European Court of Human Rights, where its outcome would affect the world.

thefederalist.com

 

[DragonGunner]

I''ll go with this scripture on woman having to wear something on the head.

1 Corinthians 11:15​

“But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.”

 

[45sRfun]

I''ll go with this scripture on woman having to wear something on the head.

1 Corinthians 11:15​

“But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.”

If that were the only covering required in 1 Corinthians then Paul's whole discussion would be absurd, and men would be required to shave their heads.

The covering referred to in 11:15 is a different Greek word from all the other incidences of "covering" in 1 Corinthians 11. It is a different kind of covering. This is explained in this article. Scroll down on theTable of Contents at the left to 1 Corinthians 11:15 and click:

Read Glory and Coverings | Leanpub

leanpub.com

 

[DadSmith]

I''ll go with this scripture on woman having to wear something on the head.

1 Corinthians 11:15​

“But if a woman have long hair, it is a glory to her: for her hair is given her for a covering.”

1 Corinthians 11:16 NKJV
But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

But there is no such custom nor do the churches of God. The women hair debate has went insane in some denominations. They forgot vs 16

This chapter was dealing with the customs/culture of this church only.

 

[45sRfun]

1 Corinthians 11:16 NKJV
But if anyone seems to be contentious, we have no such custom, nor do the churches of God.

But there is no such custom nor do the churches of God. The women hair debate has went insane in some denominations. They forgot vs 16

This chapter was dealing with the customs/culture of this church only.

If it was only a custom of one church, and not a command of God, then why did Paul waste his time even addressing it?

And if it was only a custom, why didn't Paul just say,"stop pushing coverings, it is not required. Each person can do as they wish."

 

[DadSmith]

If it was only a custom of one church, and not a command of God, then why did Paul waste his time even addressing it?

"But if anyone seems to be contentious"

That is why. They were having a lot of problems.

Paul believes that long hair on a woman is her glory. I'm not against long hair nor am I going to condemn cut hair. There is no such custom he said.
Should a woman look like a man? No
Should a man look like a woman? No

 

[DragonGunner]

If that were the only covering required in 1 Corinthians then Paul's whole discussion would be absurd, and men would be required to shave their heads.

The covering referred to in 11:15 is a different Greek word from all the other incidences of "covering" in 1 Corinthians 11. It is a different kind of covering. This is explained in this article. Scroll down on theTable of Contents at the left to 1 Corinthians 11:15 and click:

Read Glory and Coverings | Leanpub

leanpub.com

Old wine belongs in old wineskins.....but new wine belongs in new wineskins. Putting the old into the new doesn't work, and the contents spilled and ruined. What your saying about Pauls writing about is absurd. Shave heads for men...c'mon.

 

[foszoe]

This chapter was dealing with the customs/culture of this church only.

How do we know this portion of Scripture applies to the Corinthians only?

When was this doctrine first taught regarding this chapter?

 

[2A_Tom]

Do GO require women to wear head coverings like RC used to and some pentecostals?

 

[DadSmith]

How do we know this portion of Scripture applies to the Corinthians only?

When was this doctrine first taught regarding this chapter?

Because that is who he was addressing and what he stated in vs 16.
Everyone loves to avoid vs 16.

What makes you think he was addressing all churches even though it was not custom in all other churches?

 

[2A_Tom]

I agree, but I think the main point is that contention is not the custom of the Churches.

Seems contention is a major part of this thread.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt
Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.to teach, patient, 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

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Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

 

[DadSmith]

I agree, but I think the main point is that contention is not the custom of the Churches.

Seems contention is a major part of this thread.

2 Timothy 2:23 But foolish and unlearned questions avoid, knowing that they do gender strifes. 2:24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt
Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.to teach, patient, 2:25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 2:26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.

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Romans 14:1 Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, but not to doubtful disputations.

Even today the hair problem is contentious.
Look at this thread on post about hair.
The church I go to believe in woman having long hair and up in a bun or some form put up. I don't think it's wrong for them to do that.
I also don't think a person should develop a holier-than-thou attitude because they miss understand what Paul was writing about, and to whom.

 

[2A_Tom]

Contentious.