Trump 2024 — The second term

[KG1]

There's no evidence other than Rudy Giuliani's word, which is not worth much, that Eastman is any kind of constitutional/election scholar. So, with a lack of such credentials, why would Trump task Eastman? Is it because it's a hair-brain scheme, and Trump knew no one else would go along with it? Or is it that every other lawyer available to Trump were part of the grand conspiracy?

 

[SheepDog4Life]

Who is performing this “orange man” indoctrination?

Read Trump's social media postings.

Read the court filings of his attorneys.

Look at the court filings that Trump's attorney wtih drew voluntarily. Look at the court filings that do not match, in fact completely omit Trump's social media posting.

Read Trump's continuted social media postings... and still believe them? Indoctrination...

 

[jamil]

I am replying to this point.


Was this not intended to diminish his qualifications because he is not with an elite institution?

Conservatives need to come to grips with the fact that our news, legal opinions, and other political support will not come from from the sources we grew up with. They are all leftist and cannot be trusted at all.

We now are stuck with GWP, substack, Townhall, etc. Those sites are not monetized by the web gatekeepers so those that like the measured tones and no “bombshell” headlines need to recognize those days are over…

I **** on GWP often enough, so I'll weigh in on this. GWP has proven itself to post pro-Trumper propaganda. It's like reading anything on Left wing propaganda sites. On any given topic, you already know they'll be cherry picking and pushing an exclusively Left wing angle.

SD4L said they're like HuffPo but for right wing causes. I don't agree with that because HuffPo is a left wing clickbait site. Some media picks a side then makes clickbait that appeals to their side. That's what HuffPo does. it's what Drudge used to do for the right. That's what Fox News does for the right. That's' not what GWP does.

I think GWP's existance is to be right wing propaganda. I think all media right and left engage to some extent in propaganda. I'm saying GWP's purpose is that.

But. Sometimes GWP reports real ass news. So you can't just automatically dismiss them, just like you can't automatically dismiss the time on a broken clock. it's that when they say something, just like looking at the broken clock, you still really don't know if the time is what it says.

If I use GWP at all, is just like I use X. What are they talking about? Is it important? If so, go about seeing if I can cooberate it.

 

[Ingomike]

I would like to see you answer the questions. This doesn't address SD4L's question, and it doesn't address mine.

I understand the issues of establishment's institutional sources. That's not really a relevant part of the question though. I know that top law schools have turned into indoctrination factories. My son is considering a law degree. He wants to get into a top school because that's where the money is. He's planning to take LSAT later this year. But, his choice of schools weighs heavily on us. His plan is to get into the highest ranking school that will accept him, with the best financial package.

One of the schools he'll be targeting is Michigan. But they woke as ****. So I get it. Even the best scholars can be indoctrinated. But, that doesn't obviate the lack of any evidence that Eastman is any kind of top legal mind. That doesn't prove he's not an expert. It establishes a lack of evidence that he is. It also doesn't answer SD4L's question.

There's no evidence other than Rudy Giuliani's word, which is not worth much, that Eastman is any kind of constitutional/election scholar. So, with a lack of such credentials, why would Trump task Eastman? Is it because it's a hair-brain scheme, and Trump knew no one else would go along with it? Or is it that every other lawyer available to Trump were part of the grand conspiracy?

Like I said. A belief that Trump was in the right about this legal theory requires that Eastman really is an expert, and was correct about how that should play out with Pence. As I said before, if he's not an expert, then it looks like the logical conclusion is a dichotomy of either Trump is corrupt or delusional.

I've gone around with SD4L on that too. I don't accept Eastman as a top legal scholar on the constitution WRT US elections. But I don't see any evidence other than the circular reasoning of using the outcome as proof of the motivation, that Trump knew Biden won fair and square. That's just a belief, not a fact. Just like it's my belief that Trump did and still does belief he actually won. He's just delusional about it.

A problem with these discussions is without writing “war and peace” there must be some generalities. While Michigan is woke as ****, if one’s direction is corporate law etc. a student will likely get an adequate and better education and knowledge base in spite of the woke crap.

The mega problem is constitutional and political law. The indoctrination will be deep.

A lot of the posts in this thread are all about feelz not facts. Really? We are discussing the beliefs in the mind of a President in the context of proving federal indictments? That is a joke…

 

[jamil]

Is that a record for you? It's a really long post.

Pfft. Not even close.

 

[indiucky]

I do believe it'll take three Salma's to eye-bleach "that".

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[Ingomike]

Some media picks a side then makes clickbait that appeals to their side.

This is where you go wrong. The formation of the words and the fact that it does not appear to you that you are implying. You are implying that there is unbiased media outside those that “picks a side then makes clickbait that appeals to their side”. Just more normalcy bias.

No wonder they can still sell the names of companies that do not exist from the the past, like RCA, Magnavox, and Schwinn, because so many cannot get out of the past...

 

[KG1]

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You have redeemed yourself. All is right with the world now.

 

[indiucky]

You have redeemed yourself. All is right with the world now.

The "Quatro" may be my best joke on INGO...four people may get it lol....

 

[Onebad06vtx]

Anyone who thinks Biden got the most votes ever is on drugs!
We all seen what happened in the middle of the night!
We all seen videos of people mailing in many lots of ballots many different times.

 

[SheepDog4Life]

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Above and beyond... literally and figuratively!

 

[KG1]

The "Quatro" may be my best joke on INGO...four people may get it lol....

"Suzi" otherwise known as "Leather Tuscadero"

 

[jamil]

A problem with these discussions is without writing “war and peace” there must be some generalities. While Michigan is woke as ****, if one’s direction is corporate law etc. a student will likely get an adequate and better education and knowledge base in spite of the woke crap.

Well. That's why I generalized some things about your points concerning "elitism", which you didn't like. My lengthy posts are a running joke on INGO, and fair enough. I struggle with generalizing to reduce length. I don't want to be misunderstood, but that happens anyway.

The mega problem is constitutional and political law. The indoctrination will be deep.

Constitutional law is probably his most obvious area of interest. He's pretty confident he can't be indoctrinated into Wokeness. I wouldn't say he's right wing per se. I'd say right-libertarian. But, it's a concern for my wife and me. He has taken a couple 500 level law classes as an undergrad that fulfilled some of the requirements for his degree. He's had assignments with prompts to write from a perspective he doesn't agree with.

A lot of the posts in this thread are all about feelz not facts. Really? We are discussing the beliefs in the mind of a President in the context of proving federal indictments? That is a joke…

We can get to a logical conclusion which narrows the likely things that might have been in his mind. I do think Trump believes he got screwed and that he really won. I'll be pushing SD4L on that a bit later. But you're right about the federal indictments. They all to a large extent require a belief beyond a reasonable doubt of what was in Trump's mind. For the J6 trial, the most likely is delusion.

He really does believe he actually won. That is what it looks like to me. That's as much an opinion as SD4L's. He just seems to think his is a fact.

The truth, at best, is that one can't be certain if Trump would have won because did not have that election. We had the one modified by some powerful people.

 

[KG1]

Well. That's why I generalized some things about your points concerning "elitism", which you didn't like. My lengthy posts are a running joke on INGO, and fair enough. I struggle with generalizing to reduce length. I don't want to be misunderstood, but that happens anyway.


Constitutional law is probably his most obvious area of interest. He's pretty confident he can't be indoctrinated into Wokeness. I wouldn't say he's right wing per se. I'd say right-libertarian. But, it's a concern for my wife and me. He has taken a couple 500 level law classes as an undergrad that fulfilled some of the requirements for his degree. He's had assignments with prompts to write from a perspective he doesn't agree with.



We can get to a logical conclusion which narrows the likely things that might have been in his mind. I do think Trump believes he got screwed and that he really won. I'll be pushing SD4L on that a bit later. But you're right about the federal indictments. They all to a large extent require a belief beyond a reasonable doubt of what was in Trump's mind. For the J6 trial, the most likely is delusion.

He really does believe he actually won. That is what it looks like to me. That's as much an opinion as SD4L's. He just seems to think his is a fact.

The truth, at best, is that one can't be certain if Trump would have won because did not have that election. We had the one modified by some powerful people.

I misunderstood this.

 

[jamil]

Here's the catalog of cases Trump and affiliates filed relating to the 2020 Prez election. Please point me to even ONE count in ONE case that got it wrong? One state of the 6 that was "stolen" from Trump, that he won and it was "stolen" for Biden.

I think that using these cases at most proves that Trump was delusional about the election. I think the only provable situation was the rule changes. But that's probably dead end. I think first they'd have to get a ruling that emergency powers do not extend to making mail-in ballots the way most people vote. I suspect they'll lose on that. And without a favorable ruling on that question, I don't see how they can claim any of those elections were unconstitutional.

So I don't think you can use the cases that Trump took to court proves his state of mind. It's just as feasible that his lawyers, which you already admit were incompetent, sold an already ego-bruised lame duck President on legal battles he couldn't win.

 

[jamil]

I misunderstood this.

Eh, don't feel bad. So did I.

 

[jamil]

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I'm glad you're posting here again. I miss the cleavage uh, insightful posts.

There has not been nearly enough Salma on INGO in your absence. I mean it's like we're lost without it.

 

[indiucky]

"Suzi" otherwise known as "Leather Tuscadero"

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[jamil]

This is where you go wrong. The formation of the words and the fact that it does not appear to you that you are implying. You are implying that there is unbiased media outside those that “picks a side then makes clickbait that appeals to their side”. Just more normalcy bias.

No wonder they can still sell the names of companies that do not exist from the the past, like RCA, Magnavox, and Schwinn, because so many cannot get out of the past...

No. I'm saying a site like HuffPo isn't there for the propaganda as much as for the clicks. As the story goes, Matt Drudge talked Arianna Huffington into starting it. He was even one of the founders. Of course she is progressive. I'm not saying they don't present things from a progressive point of view. They certainly do. Drudge, being a right-leaning guy, helped her to make a left wing site, which was gonna make money on left wing click-bait.

That's the general business model now. Click-bait makes money. At least until it doesn't. Not every outlet you see that prints something you don't like is outright propaganda driven.

So I see two kinds of players in this space. There are outlets that are in it to make money off of clicks, and they may or may not be even of that ideology, Then there are outlets that are there for the purpose of agitprop. I know there's a bias against the possibility that our side, the good guys, could do that. They do.

I think Media Matters is agitprop on the left, among some others. I think GWP is one of the ones on the right. You can tell, when an outlet outright fabricates a story it's propaganda, and not just clickbait.

Clickbait usually tells a real story, but spun from the perspective of their ideological audience. Then they give the piece an outrageous title to get people to click. They don't really care about their audience. They just care that they click on the story so they get paid.

 

[KLB]

There's no evidence other than Rudy Giuliani's word, which is not worth much, that Eastman is any kind of constitutional/election scholar. So, with a lack of such credentials, why would Trump task Eastman? Is it because it's a hair-brain scheme, and Trump knew no one else would go along with it? Or is it that every other lawyer available to Trump were part of the grand conspiracy?

Maybe Eastman came to them with the idea.