DeSantis 2024?

[BugI02]

The following question in that interview was about the border and immigration. DeSantis's response of what he would do if elected president sounded a lot like what Trump did.

Looks like DeSantis would carry on with that AF Trump policy. Trump should be encouraged as well as Trump supporters to see that someone else would carry on with those policies should he not receive the nomination instead of trashing him.

As a matter of fact DeSantis would carry on with a lot of Trump's policies as POTUS if he were elected.

Your faith that DeSantis will do what he says he will considerably exceeds mine

My faith in Trump to close the border was already proven

 

[KG1]

I have no reason to believe that he wouldn't do what he says concerning the border. When has DeSantis shown a propensity by his actions or spoken words about being soft on the border and illegal immigration? I base my faith in him on that. He has given me no reason thus far to dispel that faith.

 

[KG1]

Is there a transcript. I absolutely cannot stand anything presented as video except things you truly need to see to understand like plane crashes or auto racing wrecks

A video record is valuable when if someone actually said something being quoted is in doubt, but I'd still rather read about it and only go to the video to research a specific point. I never even watched Tucker but instead read the transcript. Video takes way too long to present something I can read or skim in 1/3 the time

I'm not aware of any transcripts. To be honest i wouldn't know how to find the actual transcript which is why I posted the video. Is 2:00 minutes of watching a video clip of a response to a question straight from DeSantis's mouth of an issue you were interested in hearing about way too long? Two whole minutes. Wow.

C'mon Bug you're a smart individual, I have confidence in you to be able understand without reading a transcript of what he said in 2:00 minutes of an unedited video response about the entire subject before the interview continued on to other subjects that you didn't have to take the time to watch if you didn't want to.

The whole context was there. It's not like I asked anyone to watch something that took up a great amount of time. It was literally the first question asked. There was no opening monologue waste of time by Trey Gowdy in that clip. They got right into it.

You wanted to hear from him about that issue so there it was. You can watch him actually say it.

 

[jamil]

How does that go? 'The above reply is a deflection from my point'

The point is to control the levers of power, that means electing enough AF republicans to make it so the next president isn't limited to pen and phone. And you also need control of congress to 'remove money from the process'

And you need control of congress, beyond the squish percentage, to punish the guilty. I have little illusion about them seeing the inside of a cell (see: number of players prosecuted for their role in the Great Recession) but with numbers and will they can be fired and stripped of their pensions and perks

Exerting control over the FBI and the DoJ should be job one or the next non-Democrat president will find himself exactly where Trump did - set up.

Judging from your comment it was exactly the point, not a deflection. But it helps now that you’ve explained “levers”. It could have meant anything and the above could have been a retcon.

But regardless, retcon or not, I agreed that taking away the establishment enforcement is needed first. But also getting the necessary work done in Congress to make it more difficult for an establishment president to undo it. And that implies getting good AF candidates elected. Make gains in the house. Gain a majority in the senate. And make it politically dangerous for CoC Republicans to oppose the necessary legislation.

 

[jamil]

If a president gets functional control of the security state, the military and federal law enforcement first, he can clean out the other totalitarian nests at his leisure. If he doesn't prioritize the most dangerous fifth columnists first, he risks not being able to clean out anything

Again, why not both? Are Trump’s multitasking skills lacking? The job of fixing what’s wrong with the CDC isn’t kust firing people because the same pharma money still infects the institutions. Legislature can work on that while the executive branch starts cleaning out the personnel in the DoJ and medical apparatus. One is not a distraction from the other with competent leadership.

 

[jamil]

Your faith that DeSantis will do what he says he will considerably exceeds mine

My faith in Trump to close the border was already proven

My faith that Trump’s proclivities will undermine his success is assured. BTW. He didn’t close the border. I don’t know how it’s been proven when he failed to do it. Or maybe standards of proof include dreams. But. I’ll give him this. He did it better than any recent president especially Obama and Biden.

 

[nonobaddog]

Is there a transcript. I absolutely cannot stand anything presented as video except things you truly need to see to understand like plane crashes or auto racing wrecks

A video record is valuable when if someone actually said something being quoted is in doubt, but I'd still rather read about it and only go to the video to research a specific point. I never even watched Tucker but instead read the transcript. Video takes way too long to present something I can read or skim in 1/3 the time

^^^ THIS ^^^
Most video sucks as a way of conveying information. It is like slow motion and very difficult to find and focus on the important or relevant parts.
Video definitely has its place as an archive but it is so frustratingly clumsy as a way of communicating information.

 

[BigRed]

He did it better than any recent president especially Obama and Biden.

Wow....talk about a low bar!

 

[BigRed]

I'd like to hear him say the FBI is incorrigible and should be disbanded

 

[KG1]

My faith that Trump’s proclivities will undermine his success is assured. BTW. He didn’t close the border. I don’t know how it’s been proven when he failed to do it. Or maybe standards of proof include dreams. But. I’ll give him this. He did it better than any recent president especially Obama and Biden.

Didn't Trump say he was going to get a border wall built and he would get Mexico to pay for it? Did he do what he said he would do there? Should we have put our faith in him to do that when he said it or was it just a malarky campaign promise to fire up the base that no one should have believed in?

 

[BigRed]

Didn't Trump say he was going to get a border wall built and he would get Mexico to pay for it? Did he do what he said he would do there? Should we have put our faith in him to do that when he said it or was it just a malarky campaign promise that no one should have believed in?

I think he and the Republicans in congress were just so busy abolishing obammycare as promised.

 

[nonobaddog]

Didn't Trump say he was going to get a border wall built and he would get Mexico to pay for it? Did he do what he said he would do there? Should we have put our faith in him to do that when he said it or was it just a malarky campaign promise that no one should have believed in?

Grown ups would not believe the part about Mexico paying for it. I think that part is just for the smiles it brings. I also think he did as much as possible to get the wall built and most grown ups know exactly why it didn't get finished.

 

[KG1]

Grown ups would not believe the part about Mexico paying for it. I think that part is just for the smiles it brings. I also think he did as much as possible to get the wall built and most grown ups know exactly why it didn't get finished.

My post should have been in purple. Most didn't believe it, including myself. I saw it as campaign malarky but you know what? I still voted for him anyway.

 

[BugI02]

I have no reason to believe that he wouldn't do what he says concerning the border. When has DeSantis shown a propensity by his actions or spoken words about being soft on the border and illegal immigration? I base my faith in him on that. He has given me no reason thus far to dispel that faith.

My lack of faith in him comes because his money men don't want the border closed, they want access to cheap labor. That's what you get when you are beholden to the GOPe

 

[BugI02]

Judging from your comment it was exactly the point, not a deflection. But it helps now that you’ve explained “levers”. It could have meant anything and the above could have been a retcon.

Dude, you are being such a Che. Are you really going to pretend you don't know what the levers of power are?

You dance with more enthusiasm than style

 

[BugI02]

Again, why not both? Are Trump’s multitasking skills lacking? The job of fixing what’s wrong with the CDC isn’t kust firing people because the same pharma money still infects the institutions. Legislature can work on that while the executive branch starts cleaning out the personnel in the DoJ and medical apparatus. One is not a distraction from the other with competent leadership.

If the legislature is going to be assigned the task, why insert a critique of Trump's multi-tasking skills - which by the way have been amply demonstrated, just a lot of bandwidth had to go to fending off frame-ups and trying never to turn his back on his own party establishment. Trump's only involvement with that would be to sign the bill, yes? And make sure he doesn't get pantsed by Disney, I guess

As far as what that legislature would be doing, what exactly would be the framework for preventing money from influencing anything and please cite when it has ever been done successfully

 

[KG1]

My lack of faith in him comes because his money men don't want the border closed, they want access to cheap labor. That's what you get when you are beholden to the GOPe

Well that's your opinion. Like I said I haven't seen anything thus far that would lead me to believe that he wouldn't be tough on illegal immigration.

I don't believe he's conveying to his "money men" that he needs to talk tough on illegal immigration now to get elected then he'll change his tune and all of a sudden get soft for their benefit. It would be political suicide with voters if he sold out no matter how much money his "money men" throw at it.

 

[BugI02]

My faith that Trump’s proclivities will undermine his success is assured. BTW. He didn’t close the border. I don’t know how it’s been proven when he failed to do it. Or maybe standards of proof include dreams. But. I’ll give him this. He did it better than any recent president especially Obama and Biden.

So tell me, what was the lowest period of illegal immigration since about 1972, and who was president at the time

If you want the border truly closed, you have to build the wall - and I believe you are on record as opposing that. If you have some other way in mind to close the border, step up and spell it out

 

[BugI02]

^^^ THIS ^^^
Most video sucks as a way of conveying information. It is like slow motion and very difficult to find and focus on the important or relevant parts.
Video definitely has its place as an archive but it is so frustratingly clumsy as a way of communicating information.

D'accord

 

[KG1]

Was this an indication that he would get soft on illegal migration to cater to his "money men" that want cheap labor? Here's actual proof of my position and not mere speculation.

DeSantis inks Florida E-Verify law for private employers

In anticipation of the new requirement, some construction workers have stopped showing up to their jobs for fear of being deported, CBS Miami reported.

www.constructiondive.com

UPDATE: MAY 11, 2023: Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis signed into law Wednesday an immigration reform bill that will require private employers to use the federal E-Verify system to confirm workers’ immigration status. The law goes into effect July 1.