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Replacing the Ford F-150 Lightning's Battery Isn't Cheap

Do you know how much it costs to replace the Ford F-150 Lightning's battery? On that note, how reliable is the Ford F-150 Lightning?

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[GodFearinGunTotin]

Replacing the Ford F-150 Lightning's Battery Isn't Cheap

Do you know how much it costs to replace the Ford F-150 Lightning's battery? On that note, how reliable is the Ford F-150 Lightning?

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“Pickup Truck Talk shared that they found a local extended-range battery with 320 miles of range for $35,960 and a standard-range battery with 230 miles of range for $28,556. At those prices, you could buy a used truck! “

sounds like any typical battery powered tool…only orders of magnitude more.

 

[d.kaufman]

“Pickup Truck Talk shared that they found a local extended-range battery with 320 miles of range for $35,960 and a standard-range battery with 230 miles of range for $28,556. At those prices, you could buy a used truck! “

sounds like any typical battery powered tool…only orders of magn more.

Doesn't really specify if that includes the labor to swap it out. Im sure that's several thousand more as well

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Doesn't really specify if that includes the labor to swap it out. Im sure that's several thousand more as well

Could be.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Doesn't really specify if that includes the labor to swap it out. Im sure that's several thousand more as well

I think if I ever do get around to buying an EV, it’ll be a lease and I’ll make sure it gets turned in before the warranty runs out—just for this reason.

 

[Jaybird1980]

I would think battery packs damaged in accidents are going to be an issue. I would imagine insurance companies will not be liking that.

 

[d.kaufman]

I would think battery packs damaged in accidents are going to be an issue. I would imagine insurance companies will not be liking that.

Puncture of EV Battery Triggers 'Thermal Runaway' - 20,000 Gallons of Water Needed to Bring It Under Control

When a Tesla burst into flames on a Massachusetts highway, firefighters struggled for hours to control the blaze.

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[Jaybird1980]

Puncture of EV Battery Triggers 'Thermal Runaway' - 20,000 Gallons of Water Needed to Bring It Under Control

When a Tesla burst into flames on a Massachusetts highway, firefighters struggled for hours to control the blaze.

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Geez, think of how much was contaminated just from the pollutants on that. They have hazmat procedures to help contain and absorb fuel and oil. Wonder how they are going to try to address that.

 

[Leadeye]

I think if I ever do get around to buying an EV, it’ll be a lease and I’ll make sure it gets turned in before the warranty runs out—just for this reason.

I see this as the end game of electric vehicles. Some company, probably chinese, will offer a very standardized low feature electric car. Think electric model T, only you can get it in different colors. You won't own it, ever. Everything will be leased, and all parts will be interchangeable. No non-dealer service at all. When the lease is up the dealer will just give you a new one with a new lease, usable parts will be stripped off the central frame which will contain the sealed battery compartment. This will be shipped to a central facility that will reprocess it.

A lot of Americans won't like it, but it won't make any difference because the government will game the taxes and financing to force you to use it or walk.

Much of the green energy noise reminds me of the early days of commercial atomic power. As time went by it never lived up to how much it was sold, creating waste that we had no plan to get rid of, and in the end instilling a sense of fear rather than promise.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I see this as the end game of electric vehicles. Some company, probably chinese, will offer a very standardized low feature electric car. Think electric model T, only you can get it in different colors. You won't own it, ever. Everything will be leased, and all parts will be interchangeable. When the lease is up the dealer will just give you a new one with a new lease, usable parts will be stripped off the central frame which will contain the sealed battery compartment. This will be shipped to a central facility that will reprocess it.

A lot of Americans won't like it, but it won't make any difference because the government will game the taxes and financing to force you to use it or walk.

Much of the green energy noise reminds me of the early days of commercial atomic power. As time went by it never lived up to how much it was sold, creating waste that we had no plan to get rid of, and in the end instilling a sense of fear rather than promise.

I‘m so cynical these days, none of this would surprise me in the least.

I’m still not convinced the clamor for EVs is as great as the car companies want to believe it is. I‘m afraid the car company CEOs want to be another Elon (pre-twitter Elon, anyway). There are always a certain segment of the population that wants the latest and greatest. They want whatever the popular kids have. Time will tell if the market evolves to demand EVs.

At some point, if EV adoption stalls out, we’ll probably see regulations put in place to force them on everybody. That’s when the anti-authoritarian in me will make me want to throw the bit, even if by then EVs are equal to or better than an ICE vehicle.

 

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Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

No longer needing to buy gasoline is one of the most convincing selling points for potential electric vehicle customers. It’s easy to conclude that owning an EV and recharging at home is cheaper than using a car powered by an internal combustion engine. The conclusion is correct if a driver...

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[jamil]

Driving 100 Miles in an EV Is Now More Expensive Than in an ICE

No longer needing to buy gasoline is one of the most convincing selling points for potential electric vehicle customers. It’s easy to conclude that owning an EV and recharging at home is cheaper than using a car powered by an internal combustion engine. The conclusion is correct if a driver...

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With Kroger points I filled up the truck for $2.859/gal.

 

[actaeon277]

With Kroger points I filled up the truck for $2.859/gal.

And on the electric side, when government starts taxing electricity to make up for the loss in gas taxes, that's gonna drive up costs.

 

[04FXSTS]

And on the electric side, when government starts taxing electricity to make up for the loss in gas taxes, that's gonna drive up costs.

There is no doubt that will happen. Jim.

 

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With Kroger points I filled up the truck for $2.859/gal.

I've saved a lot on gas with Kroger points. They were doing a promotion where you get $0.55 off a gallon if you sign up for their Kroger Mastercard. It's down to $0.25 a gallon if you sign up now on their promotion, but that's still pretty good. Takes a little of the sting out of egg prices.

 

[actaeon277]

Give up your guns
Give up your cars
Eat the bugs

Lithium Mining for EVs Could Destroy the Planet if We Don't Change Our Car-Centric Ways: Report

A study published Wednesday shows just how bad the environmental damage will be if the United States switches to EVs while maintaining our current lust for large, personal vehicles. It’s not good, and the only way to avert disaster, according to researchers, is for Americans to give up their...

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[Hawkeye]

And on the electric side, when government starts taxing electricity to make up for the loss in gas taxes, that's gonna drive up costs.

They already tax EVs and Hybrids extra at registration time. Galls me as my wife's hybrid and my Outback get nearly enough the same mileage (at least on highway driving as to make it just a slightly more efficient ICE.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

Friday's Energy Absurdity: Dodge to Add 'Range Extender' to EV Trucks, and You'll Never Guess How It's Powered

Friday's Energy Absurdity: Dodge to Add 'Range Extender' to EV Trucks, and You'll Never Guess How It's Powered [Follow me on Twitter at @EnergyAbsurdity] Some mornings I already know what the Energy Absurdity of the Day will be when I jump up out of bed. Today wasn’t one of those days, but my...

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[Rookie]

Electric vehicles more expensive to fuel than gas-powered cars at end of 2022: consulting firm | Fox Business

It was cheaper to fuel a gas-powered car for 100 miles than it was to charge a comparable electric vehicle in late 2022, according to Anderson Economic Group.

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Friday's Energy Absurdity: Dodge to Add 'Range Extender' to EV Trucks, and You'll Never Guess How It's Powered

Friday's Energy Absurdity: Dodge to Add 'Range Extender' to EV Trucks, and You'll Never Guess How It's Powered [Follow me on Twitter at @EnergyAbsurdity] Some mornings I already know what the Energy Absurdity of the Day will be when I jump up out of bed. Today wasn’t one of those days, but my...

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It's not absurd, it's brilliant. If the push is to switch over to EVs, there is no better way to do that than offering a vehicle that has enough range for most owners to never need to use gasoline, yet offering an option to extend range for situations where regular electric range is compromised by towing, hauling, etc.

One of the biggest reasons (besides price) that people don't want EVs is the current lack of infrastructure and range anxiety. A small gas engine, which will likely be used as a generator rather than a propulsion method in this application, is a great way to solve those issues and ease people into the idea of owning an EV. Calling it a true "EV" is silly, of course, because it's really just a different kind of hybrid. In this case, it's mostly EV instead of being mostly gas operated.

The horsepower, torque and smoothness of EV propulsion walks all over the clunkiness of gas engines and stepped transmissions. If prices ever come down to reasonable levels, I'll be first in line for an electric SUV or truck with a gas generator range extender. Charge it up at home during off-peak hours and never have to buy gas for my local every day driving, or fill up the generator tank and take it on that road trip.

I'm not seeing a lot of downside here.