Ban gas stoves?

[breakingcontact]

Let's think that through. Which is easier to make and store at home: Electricity or gasoline and natural gas? Right.

The amount of electricity to generate heat or to travel a long distance?

Keep thinking it through.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

How do you char a pepper?

I'm honestly not looking for efficiency when I cook. Grilling is incredibly inefficient from a cost and energy stand point, given I'm burning chunks of charcoal that are trucked in from Missouri and paying some 50 cents a pound for the honor. I'm looking for results.

When we redid our kitchen the only thing I really cared about was discarding the electric stove and installing a gas one. And I did. And it's more awesomer.

Cast iron pan. You can char a pepper on an induction cooktop, I've done it. Put a cast iron or other induction pan on it, and press the peppers down with another one. Honestly I don't like charring peppers on my gas stove, I much prefer using a propane torch. Try it. But yeah I'm not worried about efficiency when I cook either.

Believe it or not  induction has better control than gas, and without all the list heat flowing up the sides of the cooking vessel. You can even but those as a counter top / portable unit.

I won't say better control, at least without a lot of experience. I'm much more comfortable controlling the heat with my gas cooktop. And to replace all my pots/pans to induction cooktop usable wouldn't be cost feasible. And good luck trying to use a traditional wok on an induction cooktop. A round bottom one won't work and you won't get the flavor. Same with sauteing, needs the flame to ignite the oil that vaporizes when you flip it. But you do have a point regarding heat loss. And I do own a counter top/portable one. I mainly use it during the summer if I'm doing something like pot roast with a ceramic coated cast iron dutch oven when I don't want to run the oven. Or if I'm doing saganaki and don't want to stink up the house and want to do it outside. They are nice but I wouldn't give up my gas stove for one.

Sorry, nope. You can't pressure can on induction. And yes we actually do pressure can.

Depending, some you can pressure can on. It depends on the weight rating of the cooktop. And you have to have the right pressure canner.

 

[Bugzilla]

 

[Shadow01]

Only appropriate that INGO is discussing toilets in a gas stove thread. Full circle.

Gotta have fuel

 

[Shadow01]

I’m over so called conservatives that cannot learn from history, this pattern has been repeated so many times. Minimizers down play the issue, conservatives puff and bluster, then in a couple of years it becomes the law.

Live happy in your normalacy bias bubble…

I bet Young will be able to rally the troops to vote against any ban.

 

[thompal]

The "issue" is the small amount of NO2 generated when hydrocarbons combust in atmosphere, where the nitrogen is contributed. You get it really any time you start a fire. There's various studies out that say this can contribute to asthma.

Speaking from an industrial chemical background, it sounds like fear mongering and regulations to generate money for a few at the expense of many. I saw the stoves being referred to as "racist" today, as there are numbers out that say the stoves are more popular with poor minorities.

Racist stoves injuring minority children, sound the big media trumpets.

I call BS on the entire premise.

Prior to about 1970, nearly all stoves were gas, yet childhood asthma was nearly unheard of.

Now that the vast majority of stoves are electric, childhood asthma is commonplace.

So, explain to me how gas stoves cause childhood asthma.

I guess it's better for politicians who get millions of dollars from lobbyists to blame has stoves. I suspect the gas stove lobby doesn't pay as well as General Mills or Pfizer. So we are told not to even suspect food additives or the myriad of drugs and chemicals we are told we "must take" for the public good.

Speaking of lobbying efforts, did you see the government-sponsored study that claims that Lucky Charms are healthier than a steak?

To sum up my attitude: if the government says it, I don't believe it.

 

[thompal]

Maybe refurbish used units and go into the black market 'antique' stove business?

I know some folks who made bank on the old high flow toilets

I remember when there was a thriving black market bringing high flow toilets in from Canada.

 

[Chase515]

Ordered 2 new stoves, one gas and one lp. Working on going off grid with the house I inherited.

 

[thompal]

When gas stoves are outlawed only outlaws and the elite will have gas stoves.

 

[Knight Rider]

In other news, my inventory of candles was lost in a series of tragic boating accidents this weekend.

 

[04FXSTS]

I was raised by my grandparents and I remember when I was in high school we got a propane kitchen range. My grandmother had been using an old cast iron cook stove that used coal. It also provided heat in that end of the house, The other end of the house had an old "Warm Morning" coal furnace that set in the middle of the front room for heat. Makes me wonder how I am still alive. Jim.

 

[Flash-hider]

As a young'un I had asthma, and we had an electric stove.

 

[MRockwell]

 

[JettaKnight]

I’m over so called conservatives that cannot learn from history, this pattern has been repeated so many times. Minimizers down play the issue, conservatives puff and bluster, then in a couple of years it becomes the law.

Live happy in your normalacy bias bubble…

Remember kids - only others live in a bubble (not you - you're a free thinker), and only others have a bias.

Be sure to tell them any chance you get.

 

[Cameramonkey]

I call BS on the entire premise.

Prior to about 1970, nearly all stoves were gas, yet childhood asthma was nearly unheard of.

Now that the vast majority of stoves are electric, childhood asthma is commonplace.

So, explain to me how gas stoves cause childhood asthma.

its a stretch, but the new "tight" homes that they are building to make them more energy efficient COULD play a factor. COULD.

But once again, just how many of those new designs are actually out there and are the kids with the asthma they supposedly got from the stoves living in them? Probably not, but that would be the only difference I could see. Or maybe natural gas suppliers cutting natural gas with other flammable gasses now to make it cheaper? But good luck getting them to admit it if they were.

 

[Ingomike]

Can you post where there's a federal req. banning gas stoves?

There might be city's, just like there's city and local req. for s*** disposal.


This topic is a bunch of hand wringing over one unelected official's comments.

But, it's the internet, so carry on.

Remember kids - only others live in a bubble (not you - you're a free thinker), and only others have a bias.

Be sure to tell them any chance you get.

Is this not saying that nothing said by “one unelected official” ever happens when the past clearly shows a pattern of just the opposite? This has been repeated so many times but normalcy bias masks this for many.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I call BS on the entire premise.

Prior to about 1970, nearly all stoves were gas, yet childhood asthma was nearly unheard of.

Now that the vast majority of stoves are electric, childhood asthma is commonplace.

So, explain to me how gas stoves cause childhood asthma.

I get that houses are better insulated today and get less fresh air flow, but in the 70s air quality inside the average home *had* to be worse than today on average. Think of how much more prevalent smoking around children was, how much less efficient furnaces were, how many more homes still heated with wood as a primary source vs just a decoration, kerosene stoves, etc.

I claim zero expertise on the matter, but I'm with you on this one. Whatever tiny effect a gas stove has *can't* be the main driver or even a major one.

Knowing how bureaucracy and bureaucrats works, it's often not about what's effective but about what's easy. Tackling a 50% problem is hard and expensive. Tackling a .001% is easy and cheap and somebody gets to look like they did something and get another gold star on their evaluation so they can move up a grade in the bureaucracy. It's why you see so few people who can actually do the main job ascend to high levels in large organizations, public or private, because their insistence on living in the reality of the situation hampers gold star collection.

 

[Lmo1131]

I guess San Luis Obispo has never had to suffer through rolling black outs like the rest of CA has for years. These people are insane.

SLO and every town around it (Morro Bay, Atascadero, Paso Robles, Pismo Beach, Arroyo Grande, etc) have all endured rolling black outs FOR YEARS... which just reinforces your observation that THESE PEOPLE ARE INSANE. Of course every three or four years another batch of 'students' roll through CalPoly University so it's like "Groundhog Day" over, and over, and over....

 

[Knight Rider]

It was only around 100 years ago that everyone from the President to store clerk understood that it took 2/3 House, 2/3 Senate, and 3/4 of the States to outlaw the sale of a common product.

If we could get back to that mentality, we wouldn’t have to give two s***s about what some politician thinks.

 

[Shadow01]

come on people. Think of the children. We need sensible gas stove control laws. Absolutely no reason anyone needs a stove with gas burners. The founding fathers never considered the use of gas stoves when they started this country.