Trump 2024 ???

[jamil]

Trump Calls for Kari Lake to ‘Be Installed Governor of Arizona’ | The Gateway Pundit | by Cassandra MacDonald

Former President Donald Trump has called for Kari Lake to be “installed governor of Arizona.” Trump made the comments in a late-night post to Social.

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Installed?

 

[jamil]

I like to think of it like this, in terms of shackles: Imagine all the powers that be in .gov and society. Here's a few: FBI, CIA, IRS, executive branch, every DA in powerful areas, half your own party, all the opposing party, MSM, Twitter, Face****, et al: and imagine every one of those as a shackle, each attached to one man, trying to tear him apart.

This is what Trump faced, and more. It's a genuine miracle the man is still standing. Maybe it's a sign from God, I don't know how to interpret it.

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This is all true. The depiction of Trump by the media and Democrats, and even people in his own party were inaccurate and harmful to reality. I think Trump missed some opportunities to push back on those depictions. His way of dealing with it was hitting back; mean tweets. Which is great if you want to fire up all the people who are devoted to you. But it doesn't really do anything but give people skeptical of Trump reasons to believe those depictions are true.

But I don't think Trump knows how to react in any other way. And a lot of Trumpers cheer all that, which doesn't do any good. There aren't enough Trumpers to elect Trump to anything. You need those reluctant Trump voters. And I'm not talking about you specifically, unless you fit the category, on the one hand Trumpers push back at reluctant Trump voters, as if they should love Trump too. And then you complain when elections don't go your way.

And when I bring up the score card, people blame it all on cheating. And maybe that accounts for some of it. But C'mon. Oz? Really? Why did Trump pick that loser? Did the Trump-endorsed candidate lose to a brain-injured candidate because they cheated? I don't think so. Trump endorsed a loser. All the other side has to do is say that this is Trump's pick and you attract a part of the electorate that is highly motivated against him, right or wrong. Trump owns at least part of that.

 

[KG1]

This is all true. The depiction of Trump by the media and Democrats, and even people in his own party were inaccurate and harmful to reality. I think Trump missed some opportunities to push back on those depictions. His way of dealing with it was hitting back; mean tweets. Which is great if you want to fire up all the people who are devoted to you. But it doesn't really do anything but give people skeptical of Trump reasons to believe those depictions are true.

But I don't think Trump knows how to react in any other way. And a lot of Trumpers cheer all that, which doesn't do any good. There aren't enough Trumpers to elect Trump to anything. You need those reluctant Trump voters. And I'm not talking about you specifically, unless you fit the category, on the one hand Trumpers push back at reluctant Trump voters, as if they should love Trump too. And then you complain when elections don't go your way.

And when I bring up the score card, people blame it all on cheating. And maybe that accounts for some of it. But C'mon. Oz? Really? Why did Trump pick that loser? Did the Trump-endorsed candidate lose to a brain-injured candidate because they cheated? I don't think so. Trump endorsed a loser. All the other side has to do is say that this is Trump's pick and you attract a part of the electorate that is highly motivated against him, right or wrong. Trump owns at least part of that.

Trump said Melania talked him into endorsing Oz. He threw her under the bus.

 

[BugI02]

it was about the context of my post to jamil and that is Trump will choose to endorse a candidate based on those characteristics win or lose above a candidate that might have broader appeal in key district races

And that could be seen as playing to win as opposed to playing not to lose

But the ABTs will just parse it as narcissism and wonder why no one seems to pay much attention to them anymore

 

[jamil]

Trump said Melania talked him into endorsing Oz. He threw her under the bus.

I mean. It's probably true. I've also heard Trump's order to ban bump stocks was at Ivanka's request. Probably should leave family members out of the decision making.

 

[BugI02]

This is what people say who don't pay attention to college sports.

That would be me. We were having our family gathering on Saturday because of scheduling issues, and if a guest had not told me later that evening when he checked results on his phone I likely would not have even checked the score until the next day

I would rather see them devote all the money they pour into sports to research and scholarships as well as field true scholar-athletes, where scholarship comes first. A hulking running back or DB with burners who can't even complete his degree in underwater basket weaving is a waste of an opportunity that could mean everything to a more deserving scholar, and teaches the mistaken idea that winning IS everything

Rant = off

 

[jamil]

And that could be seen as playing to win as opposed to playing not to lose

But the ABTs will just parse it as narcissism and wonder why no one seems to pay much attention to them anymore

Another meaningless binary. ABTs.

You guys have to infer so much to explain Trump's quirks. Usually it's some form of assumed brilliance. I think the simplest cause is probably the correct one. I don't have to assume an unseen brilliance.

 

[KG1]

I mean. It's probably true. I've also heard Trump's order to ban bump stocks was at Ivanka's request. Probably should leave family members out of the decision making.

That was the story. Trump said it wasn't true and apologized to Melania. Whatever the case may be Oz didn't lose because Trump endorsed him.

 

[jamil]

That would be me. We were having our family gathering on Saturday because of scheduling issues, and if a guest had not told me later that evening when he checked results on his phone I likely would not have even checked the score until the next day

I would rather see them devote all the money they pour into sports to research and scholarships as well as field true scholar-athletes, where scholarship comes first. A hulking running back or DB with burners who can't even complete his degree in underwater basket weaving is a waste of an opportunity that could mean everything to a more deserving scholar, and teaches the mistaken idea that winning IS everything

Rant = off

Honestly, I don't disagree. I grew up being a Michigan fan and it's always stuck with me. I try not to get too caught up in the UM/OSU rivalry, but I still do it anyway. At the end of the day, both schools are good academic institutions, wokeness notwithstanding. And in terms of that, UM probably has produced more woke academics than OSU. UM has an elite law school and like all the elite laws schools right now, they are producing woke activist lawyers like Big Macs.

 

[BugI02]

Yeah. I've had to remind you that Trump is the only candidate at this point. But the discussion has been about Trump vs DeSantis. So it's fair to comment on who I think is best in that scenario. But you get all frosty because someone has something critical to say about your guy. C’mon man. It's not like I’m dissing a family member whose chastity you must defend.

It's not even about you, Carole

I was referring to the poster who demands what Trumps plan is to drain the swamp, is given the answer, has no real response, pivots to complaining he didn't do it fast enough and then crawfishes when it's pointed out that, regardless of its merits, Trump is the ONLY one with a plan. When challenged to come up with any other member of his political pantheon having the plan he has demanded Trump have, he hides behind the fact that no one else has declared - as if anyone who might declare should not already know that the swamp needs to be drained and not addressing the issue should make them worry that their boi is hedging bets watching the political weather vane instead of being truly America First

What are your thoughts on AF? Is it something a politician should only back after he's sure it will poll well? Doesn't that imply a lack of sincerity

 

[jamil]

That was the story. Trump said it wasn't true and apologized to Melania.

Hopefully that's not true. But Trump needs to own up to his decisions. Oz was a bad pick.

 

[BugI02]

This is what Trump faced, and more. It's a genuine miracle the man is still standing. Maybe it's a sign from God, I don't know how to interpret it.

It seems a lot of people think he should be tricked into cleaning the Augean stables to keep him busy and out of the race for president

 

[KG1]

Hopefully that's not true. But Trump needs to own up to his decisions. Oz was a bad pick.

Whatever the case may be Oz underperformed in some rural western counties that should have carried the day with Trump's endorsement. Oz was a bad pick and Trump overestimated his popularity as a celebrity which he thought would resonate with voters in PA. Didn't happen.

 

[jamil]

It's not even about you, Carole

I was referring to the poster who demands what Trumps plan is to drain the swamp, is given the answer, has no real response, pivots to complaining he didn't do it fast enough and then crawfishes when it's pointed out that, regardless of its merits, Trump is the ONLY one with a plan. When challenged to come up with any other member of his political pantheon having the plan he has demanded Trump have, he hides behind the fact that no one else has declared - as if anyone who might declare should not already know that the swamp needs to be drained and not addressing the issue should make them worry that their boi is hedging bets watching the political weather vane instead of being truly America First

What are your thoughts on AF? Is it something a politician should only back after he's sure it will poll well? Doesn't that imply a lack of sincerity

I don't know who Carole is. So I'm pretty sure it's not about her. It's not about me either. My comments are about the discussion of Trump vs DeSantis which has been going on in this thread and the DeSantis thread.

I don't think it's evident that Trump has a plan. You guys pick up on some things Trump as said and done as that he will "drain the swamp", and that he has a plan to drain it. I get that he had that EO when he was still president. It's just an EO.

I sense that Trump gets the benefit of Trumpers parsing what they want him to do from things he says, that aren't necessarily a thing. Like draining the swamp. He got that from his fans. And then he started saying it. And they started cheering him. So he keeps saying it. Is he going to do it? I don't think it's as evident as you think it is.

As far as AF, if they're not "America First" I think they have no business in the ring. So if it's just a neocon/CoC guy throwing his hat into the ring, sorry. Not interested on anyone that smells anything like Pence or Holcomb.

One thing that I think sort is sort of prominent in these Trump v anyone discussions, here on INGO people are mostly either Trumpers, or otherwise AF types who are pretty much done with Trump. There's no guy yet to run against Trump. And the one guy everyone thinks will eventually run, is pretty new to the national stage and we don't really know about him yet. Those of us who fit into the second category can vote for Trump if he's all there is, but hope there is someone else.

I'm pretty much in that camp. I don't know if DeSantis has a swamp plan or not. And like I said, it's not a sure thing that Trump has a plan or if he's just playing off the popularity of the "drain the swamp" theme. He did at first, and he didn't drain any swamp. Maybe he will focus on that since the swamp ruined his presidency.

 

[jamil]

Whatever the case may be Oz underperformed in some rural western counties that should have carried the day with Trump's endorsement. Oz was a bad pick and Trump overestimated his popularity as a celebrity which he thought would resonate with voters in PA. Didn't happen.

Was Oz running against a neocon/CoC candidate? I thought there was some confusion among conservatives, that Oz's opponent was a better Trump supporter than Oz.

 

[BugI02]

Honestly, I don't disagree. I grew up being a Michigan fan and it's always stuck with me. I try not to get too caught up in the UM/OSU rivalry, but I still do it anyway. At the end of the day, both schools are good academic institutions, wokeness notwithstanding. And in terms of that, UM probably has produced more woke academics than OSU. UM has an elite law school and like all the elite laws schools right now, they are producing woke activist lawyers like Big Macs.

Overall, my impression is UofM is more academically robust, although I would put our engineering college up against theirs any day - but the possibility exists that I am a tad biased

 

[jamil]

Overall, my impression is UofM is more academically robust, although I would put our engineering college up against theirs any day - but the possibility exists that I am a tad biased

Well. If we want the best engineering school in the Big 10, that's hands down, Purdue. They're ranked #4 nationally behind MIT, Stanford, UC Berkley. And they're much less woke than any of those.

 

[BugI02]

I don't know who Carole is. So I'm pretty sure it's not about her. It's not about me either. My comments are about the discussion of Trump vs DeSantis which has been going on in this thread and the DeSantis thread.

I don't think it's evident that Trump has a plan. You guys pick up on some things Trump as said and done as that he will "drain the swamp", and that he has a plan to drain it. I get that he had that EO when he was still president. It's just an EO.

I sense that Trump gets the benefit of Trumpers parsing what they want him to do from things he says, that aren't necessarily a thing. Like draining the swamp. He got that from his fans. And then he started saying it. And they started cheering him. So he keeps saying it. Is he going to do it? I don't think it's as evident as you think it is.

As far as AF, if they're not "America First" I think they have no business in the ring. So if it's just a neocon/CoC guy throwing his hat into the ring, sorry. Not interested on anyone that smells anything like Pence or Holcomb.

One thing that I think sort is sort of prominent in these Trump v anyone discussions, here on INGO people are mostly either Trumpers, or otherwise AF types who are pretty much done with Trump. There's no guy yet to run against Trump. And the one guy everyone thinks will eventually run, is pretty new to the national stage and we don't really know about him yet. Those of us who fit into the second category can vote for Trump if he's all there is, but hope there is someone else.

I'm pretty much in that camp. I don't know if DeSantis has a swamp plan or not. And like I said, it's not a sure thing that Trump has a plan or if he's just playing off the popularity of the "drain the swamp" theme. He did at first, and he didn't drain any swamp. Maybe he will focus on that since the swamp ruined his presidency.

"You're so vain, you probably think this song is about you"
refrain from Carole King's song, You're So Vain

I still find it disingenuous to find fault with the only plan to drain any of the swamp that is on the table. Beyond Schedule F, he should also be given credit for moving toward relocating the first government agency ever outside of DC. I certainly hope that you can see that if an effective lever against civil service protections for personnel who ostensibly work for the current administration but use their positions to sandbag policies they disagree with is not found then the government is defacto ungovernable

 

[BugI02]

Was Oz running against a neocon/CoC candidate? I thought there was some confusion among conservatives, that Oz's opponent was a better Trump supporter than Oz.

Oz's 'republican' opponent was the former CEO of the largest hedge fund in the US, and as such he wasn't seen as a believer in AF regardless of which side of his mouth he chose to speak from

 

[manifest destiny]

The person most deserving of ridicule regarding Dr. Oz is Oprah Winfrey. She made the man. Before he did her show he was Dr. Anyolbody. She promoted him, funded some of his projects initially. Then come election time she chooses to endorse IT. So I'm left wondering about her judgment; was she disingenuous when she was selling Dr. Oz, or when she endorsed IT? People are welcome to believe Trump is a loser because he sided with Dr. Oz. But what of the people that sided with IT? If Trumps endorsement is viewed as bad, what of those endorsing IT?