Trump 2024 ???

[BugI02]

More Bug selective editing. You quote the post that was a reply to MIKE not BUG. Then you fail to respond to the BUG response following the MIKE response and make a claim I pivoted in my response to you.

The BUG DSP filter just has too much reverb.

Your points in the above post are not even in temporal order even when your transitional words imply that they are, which is why disingenuous would be a word with which you are well aquainted. If you wish to engage the response to you, fine. If you wish to apply your favorite DAW software to move things around to fit your agenda, that's also fine but I won't play that game.

I think you left out 'Hrumpf' during editing

Love the stratagem of denying the accuracy of a condensation of posting blather into the general sense of said posting because you never said exactly the words in the condensation (which never pretends to be a quote because a citation of all or part of a post is a literal quote)

It seems an obvious attempt to induce analysis paralysis. If you are so upset by my abstractions, it seems you are best equipped to know precisely where I have failed to grasp the puissance of your argumentation. So post up the citations, with or without circles and arrows on the back, so that we may appreciate how deeply you have been wronged

 

[jamil]

Yeah, I'm pretty sure the Hegelian Dialectic doesn't involve mocking one of the opposing viewpoints you are seeking to use to triangulate on the truth

Sounds more like minds are already made up and the 'I have carefully examined all sides' schtick is just window dressing - but I repeat myself

Oh, we are past your straw man having any relevance. I have not made up my mind on who would get my vote. I'm leaning towards DeSantis, if he even runs. But, people cling to the ridiculous and I'm game for mocking it.

"Trump's a street fighter."

Honestly, I was just looking for a ghey street fighter meme to post in reply to that. So how'd Trump's street fighting work for him in 2020? Probably not worth propping that up as a serious positive attribute. Being a fighter at all, but one who knows how to win in DC, is what's needed. At this point I have no idea which candidate can do that best. IMO, DeSantis has an advantage.

 

[BugI02]

Seems like part of 4D **** would include having the foresight to endorse candidates that would have broad enough appeal to win in important districts. Do you have the scorecard handy?

4D =/= precognitive or clairvoyant. Planning ahead =/= knowing what will happen or Trump would have won 2020

'You act like you're upset that [ I ] think your guy isn't the right guy for the job'

 

[jamil]

4D =/= precognitive or clairvoyant. Planning ahead =/= knowing what will happen or Trump would have won 2020

'You act like you're upset that think your guy isn't the right guy for the job'

Oh. It does not require a clairvoyant to figure out that people in purple or blue districts wouldn't vote for Trumpers. It just takes removing your fingers from your ears and opening your eyes.

 

[BugI02]

Oh, we are past your straw man having any relevance. I have not made up my mind on who would get my vote. I'm leaning towards DeSantis, if he even runs. But, people cling to the ridiculous and I'm game for mocking it.

"Trump's a street fighter."

Honestly, I was just looking for a ghey street fighter meme to post in reply to that. So how'd Trump's street fighting work for him in 2020? Probably not worth propping that up as a serious positive attribute. Being a fighter at all, but one who knows how to win in DC, is what's needed. At this point I have no idea which candidate can do that best. IMO, DeSantis has an advantage.

Well, you know how the old belief is that you can summon the Devil by saying his name?

I suspect jamil isn't your real name, so I use 'Hegelian Dialectic' as a stand in to summon you to (or back to) a thread

 

[BugI02]

[Vis a vis election fraud on an outcome changing scale] It just takes removing your fingers from your ears and opening your eyes.

IMO Lake is the most egregious current example

 

[foszoe]

I think you left out 'Hrumpf' during editing

Love the stratagem of denying the accuracy of a condensation of posting blather into the general sense of said posting because you never said exactly the words in the condensation (which never pretends to be a quote because a citation of all or part of a post is a literal quote)

It seems an obvious attempt to induce analysis paralysis. If you are so upset by my abstractions, it seems you are best equipped to know precisely where I have failed to grasp the puissance of your argumentation. So post up the citations, with or without circles and arrows on the back, so that we may appreciate how deeply you have been wronged

you lack the ability to upset me.

My 2 main concerns about Trump. i will put them here so you can either choose to respond or ignore.

Signing bills spending trillions of dollars. I give partial leeway to the first when Covid 1st started as everyone was learning. I am less forgiving on the second. Mike justified them as debt don't matter given where the country is. What is your response?

I have a hard time with anyone that can justify Trump spending Trillions on Covid then get upset about Biden spending Trillions on Covid. I do give Biden less slack in the same sense that Trump should have learned better by second and hopefully he wouldn't have signed a 3rd.

However, I expect Biden to spend money like that so there is that.

2. Emptying the swamp.

As you cited there was an XO. Why did it take until 1 month before reelection? Has no one ever thought of that strategy before? What is the history behind that order? Was it truly a novel idea? Was it thrown out there because it was almost election time to rally the base? How long was it debated?

Finally, now that that XO was written, I would prefer a candidate that would support that order, but until there are candidates, I can't exactly use that criteria to separate one candidate from the other.


PS I am shopping for USB audio interfaces....

 

[jamil]

Well, you know how the old belief is that you can summon the Devil by saying his name?

I suspect jamil isn't your real name, so I use 'Hegelian Dialectic' as a stand in to summon you to (or back to) a thread

It's not vague. I haven't forgotten that conversation, one that I initially thought we had both entered into in good faith, and that hopefully would result in some mutual understanding. I later realized that was never your motivation.

 

[jamil]

IMO Lake is the most egregious current example

I mean. It's really easy to just keep claiming that. But, I do think that Lake would likely have won in AZ were it not for the "malfunctions".

But, I think in most of the races Democrat's ground game was better. Not fairer. But better. I don't think we're going to stop mail-in ballots from being a thing. And we can't control blue states to force them to make ballot harvesting illegal and enforce it if it were.

So there's a new electorate that we have to deal with. Zoomers and Millenniels who, but for the army of blue-haired feminists practically doing the voting for them, would not vote. That's what it's gonna be in blue and purple states. R's will have to find strategies that work in that reality. That includes putting up candidates that are at least arguable for the plastic baptists that Republicans will send out to canvass.

4D chess would be understanding the present reality and gaming for that.

 

[Ingomike]

I don't think Trump's experience gives him an advantage over Trump, because it's a different game altogether now. I think both start at square one.

What has changed? The alphabet agencies are still out if control. This line of thinking is not corroborated by any conservatives I follow. Where did this come from?

 

[jamil]

What has changed? The alphabet agencies are still out if control. This line of thinking is not corroborated by any conservatives I follow. Where did this come from?

Dude, if you don't know the answer to that you haven't been paying attention. This is that swamp to the next order of magnitude.

 

[KG1]

Seems like part of 4D **** would include having the foresight to endorse candidates that would have broad enough appeal to win in important districts. Do you have the scorecard handy?

I think Trump's priority in choosing to back a candidate is that they must exhibit a certain propensity to be loyal to him first.

 

[oze]

I think Trump's priority in choosing to back a candidate is that they must exhibit a propensity to be loyal to him first.

This. 100%.

 

[KG1]

I mean. It's really easy to just keep claiming that. But, I do think that Lake would likely have won in AZ were it not for the "malfunctions".

But, I think in most of the races Democrat's ground game was better. Not fairer. But better. I don't think we're going to stop mail-in ballots from being a thing. And we can't control blue states to force them to make ballot harvesting illegal and enforce it if it were.

So there's a new electorate that we have to deal with. Zoomers and Millenniels who, but for the army of blue-haired feminists practically doing the voting for them, would not vote. That's what it's gonna be in blue and purple states. R's will have to find strategies that work in that reality. That includes putting up candidates that are at least arguable for the plastic baptists that Republicans will send out to canvass.

4D chess would be understanding the present reality and gaming for that.

Real 4D chess is developing the strategics to beat the opponent at their own game.

 

[Shadow01]

No matter who runs on the right they will never win now that we don’t demand fair elections. We whine, but do nothing. I believe the founding fathers would walk away from us and our unwillingness to do anything but fling words of disgust.

 

[Ingomike]

Dude, if you don't know the answer to that you haven't been paying attention. This is that swamp to the next order of magnitude.

No, I just recognized it way before you did. Back when you did not believe they spied on the Trump campaign and were looking for pee pee tapes to add to your video collection of Storm Daniels videos…

 

[Ingomike]

I think Trump's priority in choosing to back a candidate is that they must exhibit a certain propensity to be loyal to him first.

I certainly would not support those that would not be loyal to the agenda of my presidential campaign run. Would you? Like this is some strange or unique concept.

 

[Ingomike]

No matter who runs on the right they will never win now that we don’t demand fair elections. We whine, but do nothing. I believe the founding fathers would walk away from us and our unwillingness to do anything but fling words of disgust.

Well put. They will cheat until the public demands better…

 

[SheepDog4Life]

As the Kanye/Fuentes dinner foreshadows... Trump will self-destruct in due time... likely long before the real primary season starts.

There are no longer any adults in the room to rein him in...

 

[KG1]

I certainly would not support those that would not be loyal to the agenda of my presidential campaign run. Would you? Like this is some strange or unique concept.

Didn't say it was. Trump is going to do what he believes benefits Trump which I expect him to do. My comment was directed to jamil where he said playing 4d chess is having the foresight to endorse candidates that would have broad enough appeal to win in important districts to which I responded that Trump's priority is to endorse candidates that show a propensity to be loyal to him first above endorsing candidates that might have broad enough appeal in certain key district races.