Drug test to attend homecoming dance?

[nonobaddog]

Ever work a dangerous- skilled trade job along with someone that got high at lunch?
Who would want to walk steel, set steel, work in a elevator shaft 300 ft up on ladders, work under a crain along with hundreds of other jobs next to someone thats stoned and has a horrible attention span and response time.

Same thing exactly for someone that is drunk. The environment you describe doesn't mix well with a whole variety of disabilities, chemical and otherwise.

 

[Expat]

I wonder if they have considered drug testing the INGO?

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Ever work a dangerous- skilled trade job along with someone that got high drunk at lunch?
Who would want to walk steel, set steel, work in a elevator shaft 300 ft up on ladders, work under a crain along with hundreds of other jobs next to someone thats stoned drunk and has a horrible attention span and response time.

How about now?

 

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[Creedmoor]

Not sure of the context of this, but just because something is legal, doesn't mean that employers can't disallow it, exclude employees from using it, test for it, etc. Likewise, because something is illegal doesn't mean that it won't be used improperly.

There are plenty of narcotics, etc that are allowed, that are considered to have medical use that I wouldn't want to be in the situation you describe with someone who was using them.

It was a question posed to Cameramonkey about weed and safety in his post above.

 

[Creedmoor]

How about now?

I cant imagine it being much different if not worse with the easy access in todays world.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I cant imagine it being much different if not worse with the easy access in todays world.

So you accept that the possibility exists that your fellow employee may be under the influence of alcohol (or prescription meds, or OTC cold medicine, etc.) and have no problem with it?

 

[Creedmoor]

So you accept that the possibility exists that your fellow employee may be under the influence of alcohol (or prescription meds, or OTC cold medicine, etc.) and have no problem with it?

I have a huge problem with it, I have zero tolerance for drugs and alcohol on the job. When I was young and in the trades drugs and alcohol were and still are a huge problem. Liquid lunchs along with a joint or two are a problem on the jobsite.
As an employer to work for me, it was a hair drug test. The problem with testing is if the employee is taking a prescription drug of choice, it didnt pop a positive. So you can have an employee that stops off at the Methodone Clinic every morning and 10 min later nodding off in the parking lot waiting for his work orders for the day.
Makes me glad I sold out and went to work for someone else.

 

[WebSnyper]

It was a question posed to Cameramonkey about weed and safety in his post above.

The safety of a medication (and it's benefit vs risk factors for medical usage and how that impacts if it should be considered a schedule 1 drug) is different than being under the influence or impaired by that/a drug while being involved in an activity that could result in a bad outcome due to that impairment. Pretty much every drug/medication has warnings of these things.

 

[Hatin Since 87]

What ****ing school is this?


Longest. Homecoming. Dance. Ever.

 

[Ingomike]

If the answer to providing values ends up being yes, does this make this a school sponsored activity which makes this a government activity? Then will we say where the government provides “value” activities now fall under rules set by the government?

Does a church service at a school become a government sponsored activity?

 

[Cameramonkey]

I have a huge problem with it, I have zero tolerance for drugs and alcohol on the job. When I was young and in the trades drugs and alcohol were and still are a huge problem. Liquid lunchs along with a joint or two are a problem on the jobsite.
As an employer to work for me, it was a hair drug test. The problem with testing is if the employee is taking a prescription drug of choice, it didnt pop a positive. So you can have an employee that stops off at the Methodone Clinic every morning and 10 min later nodding off in the parking lot waiting for his work orders for the day.
Makes me glad I sold out and went to work for someone else.

so you are against legalizing simply because somebody MIGHT violate the law and company policy and OWI?

 

[Creedmoor]

The safety of a medication (and it's benefit vs risk factors for medical usage and how that impacts if it should be considered a schedule 1 drug) is different than being under the influence or impaired by that/a drug while being involved in an activity that could result in a bad outcome due to that impairment. Pretty much every drug/medication has warnings of these things.

Yes I get that, now would you work under a ironworker thats stoned or 30 min ago drank his daily prescription of Methodone?
It would suck to get hit with a 1 5/16ths spud wrench.

 

[Creedmoor]

so you are against legalizing simply because somebody MIGHT violate the law and company policy and OWI?

Why do you consistently interject things into a thread that I havent said?
Tell me, have you ever owned a business with employees that drove your trucks, equipment and machinery?

I'll make it easy, I should be able to walk in, mail order or order online any drug I desire.
You pay the fiddler when your drug use impacts others.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Why do you consistently interject things into a thread that I havent said?
Tell me, have you ever owned a business with employees that drove your trucks, equipment and machinery?

you most certainly DID imply that. Or you did not post clearly enough for somebody not in your head to understand what you meant.

I took that comment about working under a crane operator high on pot as that you were against legalization because that could happen.

So if that is not what you meant, what DID you mean?

 

[Creedmoor]

you most certainly DID imply that. Or you did not post clearly enough for somebody not in your head to understand what you meant.

I took that comment about working under a crane operator high on pot as that you were against legalization because that could happen.

So if that is not what you meant, what DID you mean?

Thats a big leap from not wanting to work under someone thats stoned to im against legalizing weed.

Make it all legal, all of it. Bring back personal responsibility. Make it a Felonious Felony.
After that, when someones under the influence, hurts, maims or kills someone.
Its a mandatory prison time. No jail, no bargining, no probation. Prison Time.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Thats a big leap from not wanting to work under someone thats stoned to im against legalizing weed.

Make it all legal, all of it. Bring back personal responsibility. Make it a Felonious Felony.
After that, when someones under the influence, hurts, maims or kills someone.
Its a mandatory prison time. No jail, no bargining, no probation. Prison Time.

Sorry for the misunderstanding. We're just here talking about legalization, and you say that you are against working under a crane operated by somebody on pot. Connecting the dots that says to me its an excuse NOT to legalize.

 

[Creedmoor]

What ****ing school is this?


Longest. Homecoming. Dance. Ever.

School of Rock.

 

[Creedmoor]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. We're just here talking about legalization, and you say that you are against working under a crane operated by somebody on pot. Connecting the dots that says to me its an excuse NOT to legalize.

I'll ask again, would you work under a stoned Ironworker or rig picks for or work under a stoned crain operator?
Somewhere where being impaired has the chance of impacting other workers.

How about a on duty stoned State Trooper?

 

[nonobaddog]

School of Rock.

Like Colorado School of Mines?