Greenwood mall shooting

[actaeon277]

More and more people are calling them out.
Their narrative is hopefully being pointed out, and failing.

 

[KG1]

More and more people are calling them out.
Their narrative is hopefully being pointed out, and failing.

They need to be ridiculed into oblivion. I just don't understand why they are still a thing.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

More and more people are calling them out.
Their narrative is hopefully being pointed out, and failing.

Even he referred to it as being "illegal". Although he acknowledged that it was "illegal" for the mall and not "illegal" per Indiana law. He should have emphasized that it was just a "rule" for the mall.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Even he referred to it as being "illegal". Although he acknowledged that it was "illegal" for the mall and not "illegal" per Indiana law. He should have emphasized that it was just a "rule" for the mall.

But these clowns think rules = laws.

 

[Ingomike]

People act like they’re supposed to be able to walk around without death being a possibility and it’s just wildly naive.

A direct product of affluence…

 

[Principal Skinr]

A lot of people are mistaken that Jesus was a total pacifist. Lot of Biblical evidence against it. I think Jesus would be fine with the just protecting the innocent from the unjust, by whatever means necessary (as long as innocents aren't intentionally harmed by the just.)

I've always quipped that the Golden Rule, "Do to others what you want them to do to you." means that if you see me trying to commit murder or diddle little kids, you have my express permission to shoot me in the head, as I'm obviously past the point of redemption on the physical plane.

The most innocent being that ever walked this earth was Jesus Himself. He had all the power of the heavens bestowed upon him and yet He let himself be arrested, tried, mocked, tortured, and slain in the most gruesome manner and in the most unjust human action in the history of mankind. But He didn't raise a finger against His attackers. And why did He do that? TO SAVE THE UNJUST. Which is you, me, and everyone else. That has absolutely no resemblance in any way to what went on at the GPM. We barely have the capacity to understand it. So I just personally will refrain from even going into the territory of speculating on his endorsement of this situation.

As for the Biblical evidence of Jesus being anything other than the Prince of Peace, please enlighten us. I've seen nothing but love and forgiveness in his words and eyewitness accounts.

Let's not forget that He freely forgave a murderer on a cross next to Him. He didn't endorse that execution at all. What He did was far above what was physically happening there.

I'm 100% in support of what the hero did here. But when we get into the game of saying what side God is on or what Jesus would do, we are in WAAAY above our heads.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

Confirmation that Chief Ison said Victor Gomez was found to have been armed.

Vic Ryckaert of WRTV confirmed Chief Ison told him the information when they were alone, walking to the Chief's car.

It was exclusive to WRTV. The recording has not been published, according to Ryckaert.

Confirmed by private email from Vic Ryckaert.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Confirmation that Chief Ison said Victor Gomez was found to have been armed.

Vic Ryckaert of WRTV confirmed Chief Ison told him the information when they were alone, walking to the Chief's car.

It was exclusive to WRTV. The recording has not been published, according to Ryckaert.

Confirmed by private email from Vic Ryckaert.

I thought that had been confirmed already? Like a day or two ago.

 

[DragonGunner]

The most innocent being that ever walked this earth was Jesus Himself. He had all the power of the heavens bestowed upon him and yet He let himself be arrested, tried, mocked, tortured, and slain in the most gruesome manner and in the most unjust human action in the history of mankind. But He didn't raise a finger against His attackers. And why did He do that? TO SAVE THE UNJUST. Which is you, me, and everyone else. That has absolutely no resemblance in any way to what went on at the GPM. We barely have the capacity to understand it. So I just personally will refrain from even going into the territory of speculating on his endorsement of this situation.

As for the Biblical evidence of Jesus being anything other than the Prince of Peace, please enlighten us. I've seen nothing but love and forgiveness in his words and eyewitness accounts.

Let's not forget that He freely forgave a murderer on a cross next to Him. He didn't endorse that execution at all. What He did was far above what was physically happening there.

I'm 100% in support of what the hero did here. But when we get into the game of saying what side God is on or what Jesus would do, we are in WAAAY above our heads.

If you believe that Christ was God manifested in the flesh all you have to look at is what the prince of peace did in the Old Testament and what He will do in judgement in Revelation. His time on earth in the flesh was for the specific reason you gave for that time for what He wanted and promised would be done. If you don’t believe Jesus was God manifested in the flesh then your reading a different Bible and have a different theology than mine.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

I thought that had been confirmed already? Like a day or two ago.

I do not recall any other source but WRTV. I'd be happy to see another, not just someone quoting WRTV. The original WRTV story did not have any time or date where they got the information, other than saying it was Chief Ison, as I recall. This appears to be an exclusive to WRTV reporter Vic Ryckaert.

Good for him.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I do not recall any other source but WRTV. I'd be happy to see another, not just someone quoting WRTV. The original WRTV story did not have any time or date where they got the information, other than saying it was Chief Ison, as I recall. This appears to be an exclusive to WRTV reporter Vic Ryckaert.

Good for him.

I see what you mean from my short duck-duck search.

 

[Keith_Indy]

The most innocent being that ever walked this earth was Jesus Himself. He had all the power of the heavens bestowed upon him and yet He let himself be arrested, tried, mocked, tortured, and slain in the most gruesome manner and in the most unjust human action in the history of mankind. But He didn't raise a finger against His attackers. And why did He do that? TO SAVE THE UNJUST. Which is you, me, and everyone else. That has absolutely no resemblance in any way to what went on at the GPM. We barely have the capacity to understand it. So I just personally will refrain from even going into the territory of speculating on his endorsement of this situation.

As for the Biblical evidence of Jesus being anything other than the Prince of Peace, please enlighten us. I've seen nothing but love and forgiveness in his words and eyewitness accounts.

Let's not forget that He freely forgave a murderer on a cross next to Him. He didn't endorse that execution at all. What He did was far above what was physically happening there.

I'm 100% in support of what the hero did here. But when we get into the game of saying what side God is on or what Jesus would do, we are in WAAAY above our heads.

Is Jesus A Pacifist? | Cold Case Christianity

Jesus was not a pacifist, even though He chose to passively submit His life to save those who trust in Him.

coldcasechristianity.com

Luke 22:36
He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one.”

John 2:13-16
When it was almost time for the Jewish Passover, Jesus went up to Jerusalem. In the temple courts he found men selling cattle, sheep and doves, and others sitting at tables exchanging money. So he made a whip out of cords, and drove all from the temple area, both sheep and cattle; he scattered the coins of the money changers and overturned their tables. To those who sold doves he said, “Get these out of here! How dare you turn my Father’s house into a market!”

Was Jesus a pacifist? | GotQuestions.org

Was Jesus a pacifist? What does it mean that Jesus is the Prince of Peace? Does Jesus oppose all warfare at all times?

www.gotquestions.org

Further more, he forgave only one of two crucified next to him, the one who basically accepted him as Lord and Savior. So, I’m not sure what that has to do with self defense.

And this admonition seems to suggest being fully armed is a good thing.

Luke 11:21 When a strong man, fully armed, guards his own palace, his goods are safe; 22 but when one stronger than he attacks him and overcomes him, he takes away his jarmor in which he trusted and divides his spoil.

The Myth of a Non-Violent Jesus

Let us imagine, as people often do, that Jesus returns for a visit. Knowing Jesus as we do, we may envision him spending some time at a local bar. Given the wide variety of folks he liked to talk wit

www.realclearreligion.org

Jesus taught, "If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn the other also" (Matthew 5:39). However, the word used here is the Greek ?απíζω (hrapizo), which refers here to an open hand strike. Jesus is saying, "If someone slaps you on one cheek, turn to him the other." This is not about self-defense at all; a slap in the face is an assault on your honor. Jesus was prohibiting escalation, not a response to a violent assault.

 

[Keith_Indy]

I do not recall any other source but WRTV. I'd be happy to see another, not just someone quoting WRTV. The original WRTV story did not have any time or date where they got the information, other than saying it was Chief Ison, as I recall. This appears to be an exclusive to WRTV reporter Vic Ryckaert.

Good for him.

Armed citizen was not the only person with a gun at the Greenwood Park Mall shooting. The first victim killed had one, too

Police say the first person killed at the Greenwood Park Mall never had a chance to engage the shooter.

www.wthr.com

 

[HoughMade]

But these clowns think rules = laws.

No they don't. You are presuming that they are saying what they are because they believe it. In a different situation, they would be very pleased to point out that a rule is not law.

There is no Truth in them. They claim for the moment what they believe helps their position.

 

[snapping turtle]

Ok, help me settle a work argument?

FIRST: the GOOD SAMARITAN shot 10 rounds striking the MASS MURDERER with 8 rounds At 40 yards? I have heard this on the news and a few web sights. true or false? If so hats off to the GS.

SECOND: we are having an argument on the GS’s weapon. I was told it was a Springfield hellcat and he was told it was a Glock. Have they said what weapon the GS used to defend the mall walkers?

thank you in advance. Maybe it was listed here as the hellcat but it is hard to search threads on INGO and at 60 plus pages I can’t find it.

 

[Yup!]

Ok, help me settle a work argument?

FIRST: the GOOD SAMARITAN shot 10 rounds striking the MASS MURDERER with 8 rounds At 40 yards? I have heard this on the news and a few web sights. true or false? If so hats off to the GS.

8/10 True

40 yards still mostly unconfirmed. 30-40y is what’s floating around with the most traction and likely accurate.

SECOND: we are having an argument on the GS’s weapon. I was told it was a Springfield hellcat and he was told it was a Glock. Have they said what weapon the GS used to defend the mall walkers?

9mm Glock is all that has been released.

 

[Dean Weingarten]

Armed citizen was not the only person with a gun at the Greenwood Park Mall shooting. The first victim killed had one, too

Police say the first person killed at the Greenwood Park Mall never had a chance to engage the shooter.

www.wthr.com

Nice to see that confirmation. Looks like it was a little after 5 p.m. today.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Feel bad for Mr. Gomez. You come around a corner and you're staring at a rifle. He probably didn't even have time to realize what was happening.

The bad guys almost always get to pick how the encounters start. RIP, sir.

I hope Mr Gomez was around long enough to see how it ended.

 

[Shadow01]

Looks like Guy is gathering info on false statements made by the media…

 

[Keith_Indy]

Maybe it was listed here as the hellcat but it is hard to search threads on INGO and at 60 plus pages I can’t find it.

Seek and you shall find…

Click next to the search box, choose “this thread”



Police chief said at Mondays presser Eli had a Glock. I linked that presser up above