Democrats want to Legalize Marijuana

[DoggyDaddy]

Quite. I thought you were arguing that an OMVI would not constitute 'unlawful use'

The 4473 thing, IMO, is a red herring anyway. Most people today would be completely untroubled about lying on that or any other government form or questionnaire. Their only thought would not involve morality or honor but only parse the odds of being caught

The 4473 question was introduced (I don't remember by whom now) and it got brought into the discussion. I was merely pointing out that since it says "or addicted to" that many people are technically lying about it now, whether intentionally or not (because people don't think about alcohol or caffeine addiction).

 

[Ingomike]

Quite. I thought you were arguing that an OMVI would not constitute 'unlawful use'

The 4473 thing, IMO, is a red herring anyway. Most people today would be completely untroubled about lying on that or any other government form or questionnaire. Their only thought would not involve morality or honor but only parse the odds of being caught

What is the definition of is? Thank you Bill Clinton and democrats…

 

[Timjoebillybob]

I think the joyriders far outnumber the people in serious need of pain management, though - and the legalize it wing never supports medical distribution as anything more than the camel's nose under the tent

For me, I support medical to help those like I've known who do use it for medicinal reasons. If it gets the camel's nose in, so much the better.

Sigh. If you discharge a firearm within most city limits, not for a valid self-defense purpose, are you not an 'unlawful user' of a firearm?

If you slide behind the wheel intoxicated and get caught, are you not an unlawful user of alcohol? I might entertain the argument that it is actually the motor vehicle that is being used unlawfully but the offense actually turns not on how said vehicle is used but how and how much of the intoxicant is used

Nope, as long as the person is 21 and not under court order legally preventing them from partaking the use of the alcohol is legal. Operating the vehicle may not be. And it may turn on if the person is intoxicated, that does not make the intoxication illegal it makes the operating of the vehicle while being intoxicated so.

And everyone here seems to me to be glossing over the part at the end, "or other controlled substances", which indicates to me at least that it is only in reference to "controlled substances".

Firearm is a strawman because you are actually using the item in an unlawful manner. Let's say you (general you) have an LTCH and are carrying legally, you are also driving illegally, that does not make your carry illegal. 20 yr old in IN drinking a beer, unlawful use. 21 yr old in IN drinking a beer, lawful use. Either of them driving after has no bearing on that.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Quite. I thought you were arguing that an OMVI would not constitute 'unlawful use'

The 4473 thing, IMO, is a red herring anyway. Most people today would be completely untroubled about lying on that or any other government form or questionnaire. Their only thought would not involve morality or honor but only parse the odds of being caught

“I am free, no matter what rules surround me. If I find them tolerable, I tolerate them; if I find them too obnoxious, I break them. I am free because I know that I alone am morally responsible for everything I do.”​

― Robert A. Heinlein

 

[Flash-hider]

But ... but ... one of the common arguments in favor is always that it will break the back of the black markets and the cartels, not to mention that if you still need major manpower to police those 'who can grow and sell' restrictions you will not achieve the promised efficiencies in the distribution of government resources

Sounds like the lottery/legalized gambling thing to me - overpromise/under deliver

I would think the organized crime and drug cartels will find a way to stretch their tentacles into and take over the "legal" markets.

 

[fullmetaljesus]

I wonder how bad the nose bleeds are sitting up on that high horse....not be confused with a horse who likes weed.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Jury holds CVS, Walgreens and Walmart responsible for roles in opioid crisis

Three retail pharmacy chains recklessly distributed massive amounts of pain pills in two Ohio counties, a federal jury said Tuesday in a verdict that could set the tone for U.S. city and county gov…

fox59.com

At least they were legal, so no cultural damage occurred.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Jury holds CVS, Walgreens and Walmart responsible for roles in opioid crisis

Three retail pharmacy chains recklessly distributed massive amounts of pain pills in two Ohio counties, a federal jury said Tuesday in a verdict that could set the tone for U.S. city and county gov…

fox59.com

At least they were legal, so no cultural damage occurred.

I don't know how the pharmacies could be held responsible unless the prescriptions were fraudulent, and they reasonably should have known that they were fraudulent. Seems like they'd go after the doctors that allegedly wrote the prescriptions.

 

[indyblue]

Sigh. If you discharge a firearm within most city limits, not for a valid self-defense purpose, are you not an 'unlawful user' of a firearm?

If you slide behind the wheel intoxicated and get caught, are you not an unlawful user of alcohol? I might entertain the argument that it is actually the motor vehicle that is being used unlawfully but the offense actually turns not on how said vehicle is used but how and how much of the intoxicant is used

Wouldn't that be unlawful use of the vehicle?

This! ^^^

It is not unlawful to use alcohol. It is not unlawful to operate a motor vehicle.
It IS unlawful the operate a motor vehicle under the influence of alcohol (OWI).

However, it is unlawful to use alcohol while in a vehicle (open container).

 

[1gunaholic]

They want a slice of the pie as well. You can bet Lilly has been putting together something for quite a while. But do you think that this would hurt their pain killer revenues?

Doubtful. If legalized they will be the first to sell it. Might stem the flow of huge lawsuits against them for pain killers.

Has it occurred to anyone that democrats might prefer an electorate that is lazy, unmotivated, dependent and in a stupor for reasons other than their newfound 'support' of individual freedoms?

But those people don't vote often enough to help the dems

 

[Ingomike]

I would think the organized crime and drug cartels will find a way to stretch their tentacles into and take over the "legal" markets.

Not very easy, it is highly regulated and watched. Kinda like CVS can’t sell oxy out the back door…

 

[Ingomike]

Jury holds CVS, Walgreens and Walmart responsible for roles in opioid crisis

Three retail pharmacy chains recklessly distributed massive amounts of pain pills in two Ohio counties, a federal jury said Tuesday in a verdict that could set the tone for U.S. city and county gov…

fox59.com

At least they were legal, so no cultural damage occurred.

How can they be held to this if they followed all or even most of their regulations?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

How can they be held to this if they followed all or even most of their regulations?

My training and experience here is very limited, just EMT and related training, including liability, over 20 years ago. There are standards of care that must be abided by, and my very much non expert guess is the jury believed those standards were not met.

@HoughMade would know a lot more about this realm of law than me.

 

[Outta_hand]

Mary Jane is a gateway to legal prostitution? First time I've heard that claim before.

Sorta like "close dancing leads to card playing".

Not sure this is much different than the "Gambling Boat" issues from years back. One thing that intoxicates any Politician is tax revenue.

It is only a matter of time. When the potential tax revenue from marijuana sales exceeds the revenue generated by the Litigation and incarceration for Marijuana offenders, the law will change.

 

[AlVine]

It's about time. The feds need to reschedule marijuana too, keeping it on par with heroin is ridiculous. Or, failing that, make alcohol a Schedule I drug too. Yes, it's that ridiculous.

 

[MichaelZWilliamson]

ZOMG! The devil's lettuce!

Legalize it, and the Dems lose yet another talking point for people to vote for them. No one who wants to smoke is actually hindered by the law, and I'd rather the courts and jails were full of rioters rather than weed smokers.

And no, "Big Pharma" won't be in the pot market and hasn't been.

I do know professional neuroscientists who'd love to actually extract and develop medications from hemp, as we do from other plants. But all the stoners with their, "phat, juicy budz are better than any chemical!" idiots increasingly make that impossible.

Notice, though, that the "Weed is medicine" crowd has been almost entirely silent during the Covids, while demanding "Big Pharma" vaccines?

Now if we could just get my medical tequila legalized...

 

[BJHay]

I believe in 'smaller less intrusive government'. That applies equally to things I may personally object to.
It isn't my business or the governments if someone wants to peacefully smoke a joint.

If someone commits subsequent crimes they need to be addressed under the current laws.

 

[Grelber]

Based upon my research , pot does not clear my system for about 3 days, the hangover effects are reduced energy level and diminished ambition. It makes my life less than what it was before.

Medically it can do wonders when I have a headache or stomach ache and a friend tells me it very much helps with menstrual cramps.

I don't care if they legalize it.

 

[jagibbons]

The only reason Indiana hasn't gone down that path yet is the coffers are in the black. States like MI and IL were in the red and needed the revenue.

And they are still in the red. Huge influxes of cash cannot fix broken corruption and flawed progressive ideologies.

 

[JettaKnight]

Tell me something. No facts, no figures, none of that nerd crap.

Do you think we as humans should have more of fewer freedoms?

No grey, just black and white your personal feelings more or fewer?

I want freedom specifically for the stuff I like and approve of.


Glocks are hereby banned.