The CZickness XLII looking towards the FGE

[Benp]

Morning WT!

 

[wtburnette]

Morning Ben

 

[88E30M50]

It sure took all the variables out of the game except for one.

That's going to be funny all year.

You should have known that would happen. Bcannon is as steady as they come.

 

[T-DOGG]

How about a photo of your rifle and rest setup?

 

[T-DOGG]

I tried using the Lead Sled 3, but found it a bit awkward. The recoil pad on it is extra squishy and that wasn't helping with keeping a steady aim. For what it's worth, I felt very stable yesterday, my breathing and trigger pull felt good.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

GM all. Just gonna leave this here from my new favorite guntuber. CZ!

 

[drillsgt]

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Did that start out as a 457 Pro Varmint or one of the higher end ones?

 

[T-DOGG]

Did that start out as a 457 Pro Varmint or one of the higher end ones?

Pro Varmint

It was originally AreoFlyer09's, then it went to the Wizard, then me.

 

[hANNAbONE]

Good Morning : My People.!!

Heading back to Iowa in a few hours from Sidney.

I deff need some range time after seeing all the fun y'all had at the Fall shoot.

That'll be incoming when I get back to Indiana.

Be safe everyone.

 

[gmcttr]

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First off you are being too hard on yourself and equipment. You already are very consistently shooting 0.60" and under groups. Mostly under 0.50" and frequently well under that. This is not easy to do, congrats. Comparing your targets to my own over the past year I believe you have been out shooting me and I spent money on rests, top of the line ammo and did a lot of practicing prior to the FGE in an attempt to be competitive.

For testing and the tightest groups, I highly recommend getting a Caldwell front rest (talk to me about the different models) and a Protektor Model rear bag. Example...



They really help fine tune the natural position of the rifle to be on target.

Much of what I see in your tuner testing target set groups is similar to my own shooting and I believe is shooter induced...back and forth between vertical and horizontal stringing and two groups within one group. I consistently do both of those in my own shooting.



An example of mine...



This is also a perfect example of a cherry picked tight group I previously posted. Only the tight center group was posted when I was messing with your head before the FGE and showing you what my AR "bench rifle" could do. The rifle and ammo can do it...me, only occasionally.

My recommendation is to improve your rest setup and quit trying to tune the rifle until you are comfortable with the new rests.

Just my opinion and it is worth what you paid for it.

 

[Ruger_Ronin]

First off you are being too hard on yourself and equipment. You already are very consistently shooting 0.60" and under groups. Mostly under 0.50" and frequently well under that. This is not easy to do, congrats. Comparing your targets to my own over the past year I believe you have been out shooting me and I spent money on rests, top of the line ammo and did a lot of practicing prior to the FGE in an attempt to be competitive.

For testing and the tightest groups, I highly recommend getting a Caldwell front rest (talk to me about the different models) and a Protektor Model rear bag. Example...

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They really help fine tune the natural position of the rifle to be on target.

Much of what I see in your tuner testing target set groups is similar to my own shooting and I believe is shooter induced...back and forth between vertical and horizontal stringing and two groups within one group. I consistently do both of those in my own shooting.

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An example of mine...

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This is also a perfect example of a cherry picked tight group I previously posted. Only the tight center group was posted when I was messing with your head before the FGE and showing you what my AR "bench rifle" could do. The rifle and ammo can do it...me, only occasionally.

My recommendation is to improve your rest setup and quit trying to tune the rifle until you are comfortable with the new rests.

Just my opinion and it is worth what you paid for it.

I ain't got a dog in this fight and wrote half that down. Well written. Gives me some things to ponder myself. Payment due?

 

[T-DOGG]

First off you are being too hard on yourself and equipment. You already are very consistently shooting 0.60" and under groups. Mostly under 0.50" and frequently well under that. This is not easy to do, congrats. Comparing your targets to my own over the past year I believe you have been out shooting me and I spent money on rests, top of the line ammo and did a lot of practicing prior to the FGE in an attempt to be competitive.

For testing and the tightest groups, I highly recommend getting a Caldwell front rest (talk to me about the different models) and a Protektor Model rear bag. Example...

View attachment 161732

They really help fine tune the natural position of the rifle to be on target.

Much of what I see in your tuner testing target set groups is similar to my own shooting and I believe is shooter induced...back and forth between vertical and horizontal stringing and two groups within one group. I consistently do both of those in my own shooting.

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An example of mine...

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This is also a perfect example of a cherry picked tight group I previously posted. Only the tight center group was posted when I was messing with your head before the FGE and showing you what my AR "bench rifle" could do. The rifle and ammo can do it...me, only occasionally.

My recommendation is to improve your rest setup and quit trying to tune the rifle until you are comfortable with the new rests.

Just my opinion and it is worth what you paid for it.

Seems logical to me. I had the protector rear bag like that and gave it away because I thought going to a rear bag I could squeeze easier was what I needed. I can get the rear bag back (I know where it's at currently.... ).

For the front, I have a Rock Jr currently with the rubber feet, but have the spikes as well. Of course I recently wrapped it in my favorite vet wrap. I typically only use it for rifles that have a forward vertical grip, because they won't sit flat on a bag. The KRG Bravo forend doesn't well down in the pocket, so maybe I need to massage that area a bit and to get it nestled in there better. I assume a flat bottom with side support is best to keep side to side rocking down to a minimum.

I've thought at times that the front Wiebad cube is a little too wobbly when sitting up the tall way, but that's where the rifle height is comfortable for me. So I think you are probably on to something here....

 

[mcapo]

Seems logical to me. I had the protector rear bag like that and gave it away because I thought going to a rear bag I could squeeze easier was what I needed. I can get the rear bag back (I know where it's at currently.... ).

Oh sure....when I mentioned it, you only rolled your eyes.

I see how this works. Kinda like with my wife. If its my idea - its stupid. Let someone else say and its a great idea.



I have one of the caldwell rests also. It's good enough but with a heavier gun the contact point can be minimal.

My favorite set-up is a front X-bag and a protector rear.

 

[T-DOGG]

Oh sure....when I mentioned it, you only rolled your eyes.

I see how this works. Kinda like with my wife. If its my idea - its stupid. Let someone else say and its a great idea.



I have one of the caldwell rests also. It's good enough but with a heavier gun the contact point can be minimal.

My favorite set-up is a front X-bag and a protector rear.

It's really only because I know that gmcttr's intentions aren't to try and get me to buy something.

 

[mcapo]

It's really only because I know that gmcttr's intentions aren't to try and get me to buy something.

His intention are as pure as tire splashed highway slush on a 35 degree winter day.

 

[gmcttr]

...For the front, I have a Rock Jr currently with the rubber feet, but have the spikes as well. Of course I recently wrapped it in my favorite vet wrap. I typically only use it for rifles that have a forward vertical grip, because they won't sit flat on a bag. The KRG Bravo forend doesn't well down in the pocket, so maybe I need to massage that area a bit and to get it nestled in there better. I assume a flat bottom with side support is best to keep side to side rocking down to a minimum...

I made rubber pads for my front rests so they wouldn't tear up wood benches.

Also make sure there are no rails, sling swivel studs, bumps, etc. on the stock hitting the front or rear rests. You want the rifle to be able to recoil freely with nothing "bumping".

I generally use a light grip on the .22's. Often just pinching the trigger and grip between my trigger finger and thumb. The less muscles involved the better. This also seems to reduce the heartbeat input.

 

[gmcttr]

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[Born2vette]

See if this one works for you.

Worked great. Awesome!!

 

[Benp]

I made rubber pads for my front rests so they wouldn't tear up wood benches.

Also make sure there are no rails, sling swivel studs, bumps, etc. on the stock hitting the front or rear rests. You want the rifle to be able to recoil freely with nothing "bumping".

I generally use a light grip on the .22's. Often just pinching the trigger and grip between my trigger finger and thumb. The less muscles involved the better. This also seems to reduce the heartbeat input.

Should TDogg train his heartbeat to pause so that he can remove that variable?

 

[Benp]

Seems logical to me. I had the protector rear bag like that and gave it away because I thought going to a rear bag I could squeeze easier was what I needed. I can get the rear bag back (I know where it's at currently.... ).

For the front, I have a Rock Jr currently with the rubber feet, but have the spikes as well. Of course I recently wrapped it in my favorite vet wrap. I typically only use it for rifles that have a forward vertical grip, because they won't sit flat on a bag. The KRG Bravo forend doesn't well down in the pocket, so maybe I need to massage that area a bit and to get it nestled in there better. I assume a flat bottom with side support is best to keep side to side rocking down to a minimum.

I've thought at times that the front Wiebad cube is a little too wobbly when sitting up the tall way, but that's where the rifle height is comfortable for me. So I think you are probably on to something here....


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I like the Rock Jr. because it's not as big as the deluxe model, but how does it compare? Anyone else use the Rock Jr?