Trump 2024 ???

[BehindBlueI's]

Keith Richards

Immortals are immune to age requirements.

 

[Leadeye]

Covid probably runs from Keith.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

And if you're a small business owner, they laugh at you because you don't have the money to get favors from them.

As things stand in the US, if we want to keep all of these ridiculous laws that fundamentally break capitalism, then capitalism is a problem. It's not intended to work under those circumstances.

Crony capitalism. Americans have been lied to about "...but job creators" and "this is free market" for so long they believe it. Post-NAFTA, one thing Republicans and Democrats agree on is chasing corporate dollars.

 

[bwframe]

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[Expat]

I was getting around 4 Trump fundraiser emails a day. I hit the unsubscribe. Now I get 8-10 a day. I guess they showed me.

 

[BugI02]

Gotta think he’ll be too old, but he’s a hell of lot sharper and robust than Uncle Sniffy.

On Inauguration Day in January 2025, Trump will be a bit younger than Biden was at his inauguration, and he is a whole lot sharper and more vigorous than Bidiot

 

[BehindBlueI's]

On Inauguration Day in January 2025, Trump will be a bit younger than Biden was at his inauguration, and he is a whole lot sharper and more vigorous than Bidiot

There's probably a retired circus clown recovering from a stroke that exceeds that baseline. I'm not sure how useful a metric it will be.

 

[BugI02]

Why?

When the chips were down and he could have done what was necessary, he tucked tail and ran saying he'll just run again.
Now we're left with a run-away federal government, emboldened by getting away with rigging elections, now mandating forcible medical procedures. Republicans helped push through a red-flag law that will eventually disarm us for questioning the federal government's actions.

2022 won't go the way anyone here wants, and neither will 2024. There is no reason for them to not rig those elections as well. There's no consequence, and nobody will do anything to stop it, much less even speak out against it. Even if you got someone in the white house who believed in liberty above all, it's still a sinking ship and the machinations of the federal state will continue to drag us down. Too much power has been in the hands of the unelected too long.

Our top military official is giving China classified intel on military actions, so the military isn't coming to save you any time soon either.

There's 3 choices left:
1.) Political action at a state level to leave the union
2.) Do nothing and enjoy your chains
3.) _____ ___

Putting Trump back in office is like putting a bandaid on someone with stage 4 cancer. Sure it might give you some psychological benefit, but the final result won't change.

IMO, you are incorrect. Trump had an enviable record of accomplishment with virtually every institution against him

The second time around, after people have had a bellyful of communism and government overreach, which way do you think independents and fence-sitters will break

I believe people will be drawn to a known quantity and a proven fighter even over those being positioned as post-Trump like DeSantis

I believe at least 4 or 5 of 2020's battleground states are run by Republicans. If legislation can be enacted (and some already has) that prevents the kind of cheating that went on in 2020, and a Federal takeover of elections can be prevented, then I see the delegate count in the EC going the other way

Our job is to retake the house and senate in 2022, and then be prepared to smack down a return to the lawlessness of 2020 wherever our party holds sway. If BLM wants to burn SFO or CHI, so be it, but no red state area should be allowed to be targeted

You should not lose what faith you have, and of course I always feel anyone could certainly use more faith - particularly in a higher power. Do not assume that God will necessarily rescue us from our folly, as we are a wicked people in His eyes and he has turned his back on his people before when provocation was sufficient, but believe that if we are deserving and our cause righteous that we shall prevail

Those who go into an endeavor thinking they can't do it are almost always right

 

[BugI02]

Well for those of you believers out there you must know Biblical prophecy does not include the US, therefore this decline and fall is to be expected...

Biblical prophesy mentions NO nation currently in existence except Israel

We are either all doomed or the minutae of the future have not been revealed, only the general outline

 

[BugI02]

He's just too damn old. I mean, yeah, he's sharper than Babbling Biden, but that's not a high bar. Put him out to pasture with the rest of the fossils and find someone at the very minimum under 60.

I really don't want to suffer through 3 more years of Biden only to relive four years of national TDS followed by a worse tyrant than Biden.

Be careful what you wish for. Pick the wrong standard bearer and you won't get the reprieve that 4 years of TDS would represent (assuming his re-election wouldn't break the progressive movement) and go straight to the 'worse tyrant' part

You could always try working with him and his party to accomplish many things, some of which you will not agree with, rather than get caught up in a libertarian purity spiral

 

[BugI02]

So you know god's plan?

How did you learn the plan? Did he come skipping down from some cloud?

Two men say God is on THEIR side. One of them MUST be wrong

 

[BugI02]

Is this more of that hyperbole that I've been told is here when talking about tyranny?

To the non-Jetta among us, we look at you and see this



and we see why you can see supposed Trump tyranny but Biden is just fine

 

[BugI02]

Is that before or after the UN invades?

In what essential way does the will of the UN differ from the will of its master, the PRC

 

[BugI02]

Same tactics as always.

Exactly. If she was a he, it would be accusations of sexually harassing female staffers

 

[BugI02]

Crony capitalism. Americans have been lied to about "...but job creators" and "this is free market" for so long they believe it. Post-NAFTA, one thing Republicans and Democrats agree on is chasing corporate dollars.

You can't really fix the money aspect, it is a universal solvent

You have to fix the people

But by all means, let's deny the candidate who came closest to pulling it off in the past 40 years because he wasn't [fill in the blank with self-defeating drivel]

 

[Tombs]

You should not lose what faith you have, and of course I always feel anyone could certainly use more faith - particularly in a higher power. Do not assume that God will necessarily rescue us from our folly, as we are a wicked people in His eyes and he has turned his back on his people before when provocation was sufficient, but believe that if we are deserving and our cause righteous that we shall prevail

Those who go into an endeavor thinking they can't do it are almost always right

The majority of the population of this country is all for soddom and gamora 2.0.
This country squandered away its blessings.

As I continually say, we need to separate from those people. Whether that means Indiana goes it alone, or the heartland of this country breaks off as a separate union.

It's only a handful of cities behind all of the wickedness.

 

[NKBJ]

Pushing the division narrative.

52% of Trump voters want red states to secede from the union

According to the poll from the University of Virginia's Center for Politics, 52% of Trump voters at least somewhat favor the idea of seceding from the US,

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[BehindBlueI's]

You can't really fix the money aspect, it is a universal solvent

You have to fix the people

But by all means, let's deny the candidate who came closest to pulling it off in the past 40 years because he wasn't [fill in the blank with self-defeating drivel]

Pulling what off? Ending crony capitalism? What exactly did this candidate do that would lead you to believe that?

 

[BugI02]

Ordinary people need to retake the power, there can only be cronies if they can keep getting re-elected

Trump crafted a movement not beholden to the existing order. Some will criticize it as being beholden to him, but IMO that isn't true because the only hold he has over them is their belief in something better and that he is still the best man to take on that job right now

I'm arguing in favor of more people getting on board the second time around now that they have a clear idea of the alternatives, maybe even some talented people serving in his administration

I'm open to hearing your argument of who you think will do a better job than Trump did (and will again). If you just want to argue that he didn't fix everything in his first hundred days while hamstrung with spurious investigations, leaks, fifth columnists and the united condemnation of most media you need to explain how your preferred candidate will either avoid the same treatment or get convincingly be able to get things done anyway. Things that Trump has already proven he can do

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Ordinary people need to retake the power, there can only be cronies if they can keep getting re-elected

Trump crafted a movement not beholden to the existing order. Some will criticize it as being beholden to him, but IMO that isn't true because the only hold he has over them is their belief in something better and that he is still the best man to take on that job right now

I'm arguing in favor of more people getting on board the second time around now that they have a clear idea of the alternatives, maybe even some talented people serving in his administration

I'm open to hearing your argument of who you think will do a better job than Trump did (and will again). If you just want to argue that he didn't fix everything in his first hundred days while hamstrung with spurious investigations, leaks, fifth columnists and the united condemnation of most media you need to explain how your preferred candidate will either avoid the same treatment or get convincingly be able to get things done anyway. Things that Trump has already proven he can do

I've no idea who will do better job or even who will run. I'm sure it will be a wealthy person with an outsized ego, but outside of that who knows. I don't think Trump's tax plan was anything but more of the same. Bigger breaks for bigger players. I've already pointed the negative tax rates out in a different thread, no reason to rehash here. I don't care to argue what he didn't do or why. What did he actually do? Because like it or not, results are the only thing that matters and the best ideas in the world are useless if you don't have the clout to get them implemented.

"Ordinary people" may run, but you need a party behind you to get any traction or exposure. Trump paid for his influence, he was a wheel greaser and politician long before his successful bid. Not many "ordinary" people can afford to dine and donate like he did, although some celebrities can exchange their cultural cache instead...but that's not "ordinary" either.

Then which "ordinary" person who's extraordinary enough to get over those hurdles is also able to withstand the temptations of the position?

On a local level, Mayor Ballard is probably a good example. Either he fooled a lot of people or his office changed him (or both). He was a completely different mayor in week one then he was at the end of his tenure. Financial temptation is probably easier to resist then ego stroking and buying into your own marketing. You do this so you can stay in office so you can get your agenda through so you can help people is much harder to resist then so you can buy a bass boat or whatever.

I hope we have an uprising of those rare and extraordinary ordinary people, but I'm not one of them.