Should Miley be charged with treason?

[indyartisan]

 

[BugI02]

No, that way out affords him too much dignity. He is a traitor and an oathbreaker and should be publicly court-martialed, stripped of all rank and privilege and left to rot in the brig while we debate whether to bring back hanging

 

[DoggyDaddy]

No, that way out affords him too much dignity. He is a traitor and an pathbreaker and should be publicly court-martialed, stripped of all rank and privilege and left to rot in the brig while we debate whether to bring back hanging

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Wouldn't this be more a State Dept sort of thing? Way above my paygrade, but I'd be curious if Li believed him and if Miley was being truthful. I mean, it's not exactly a new tactic to lie about intentions in conflicts.

"I'll TOTALLY tell you if we're going to attack, trust me bae."
*insert surprise MF'er meme here*

Dunno, not enough info for me to know if I should be outraged or not. Did he actually give any info to the Chinese? Was this some hidden wire or was he expected to have routine communications with his counterpart?

 

[manifest destiny]

My hesitation with this story is the source. A for-profit book. From Bob Woodward.
How did he get transcripts? Are the transcripts accurate? But, again, IF true...

 

[buckwacker]

My hesitation with this story is the source. A for-profit book. From Bob Woodward.
How did he get transcripts? Are the transcripts accurate? But, again, IF true...

I kinda had the same thought, but I do remember reports sometime after the election about Pelosi working with military leaders to neuter Trump. Can't remember if Milley was mentioned specifically.

Edit:

Pelosi calls Gen. Milley to block ‘unhinged’ Trump from using nuclear codes

WASHINGTON — House Speaker Nancy Pelosi called the Pentagon’s top general on Thursday and urged him to add extra precautions to stop what she called an “unhinged” President Trump …

nypost.com

 

[Ark]

I know technically no direct harm ended up resulting, but taking nuclear authority away from an elected President and promising China to call them in advance of any US action so they can be prepared to slaughter our troops in ambush is completely unprecedented in the modern age and absolutely horrifying.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

I know technically no direct harm ended up resulting, but taking nuclear authority away from an elected President...

You don't really believe that one man, POTUS or not, has the unchecked authority to launch US nuclear weapons, do you? That if Biden said "Nuke Iran!" today everyone should just go lock step with that order? Or should? That's literal world ending power, no one person should wield it unchecked.

 

[Ark]

You don't really believe that one man, POTUS or not, has the unchecked authority to launch US nuclear weapons, do you? That if Biden said "Nuke Iran!" today everyone should just go lock step with that order? Or should? That's literal world ending power, no one person should wield it unchecked.

You really think Biden is being restricted from nuclear access the same way that Trump was?

 

[jsharmon7]

You don't really believe that one man, POTUS or not, has the unchecked authority to launch US nuclear weapons, do you? That if Biden said "Nuke Iran!" today everyone should just go lock step with that order? Or should? That's literal world ending power, no one person should wield it unchecked.

I would wield that kind of power responsibly. And McDonald’s would never mess up my order again. “Give me the fries or so help me God I’ll press the button!”

 

[BehindBlueI's]

You really think Biden is being restricted from nuclear access the same way that Trump was?

Yes. And so was Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. And Other Bush. And Reagan. Etc.

Again, do you really think that POTUS has unrestricted access to launch nuclear weapons? Or should?

 

[Ark]

Yes. And so was Obama. And Bush. And Clinton. And Other Bush. And Reagan. Etc.

Again, do you really think that POTUS has unrestricted access to launch nuclear weapons? Or should?

Do you feel safe knowing that response to an incoming nuclear attack is a partisan committee decision?

 

[Ingomike]

Who the devil is this guy working for??

Apparently China...

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Do you feel safe knowing that response to an incoming nuclear attack is a partisan committee decision?

Why can't you answer the two questions posed? I've answered you with no issue, but if you just want to trade questions: Would you feel safer if the decision to start nuclear war was concentrated in Biden and Biden alone?

 

[jwamplerusa]

Who the devil is this guy working for??

A subversive traitor. Traitor Joe now. So who was he working for at the time of the alleged action? Nominally a patriot, but very possibly really working for our adversaries.

 

[Ark]

Why can't you answer the two questions posed? I've answered you with no issue, but if you just want to trade questions: Would you feel safer if the decision to start nuclear war was concentrated in Biden and Biden alone?

We do not engage in first strikes.

Crippling our ability to respond to nuclear attack for partisan political reasons is traitorous and unacceptable.

 

[Lmo1131]

I want to know how much money he has received from the Chinese government.

 

[Leadeye]

While I'm sure the real answer is classified, I would imagine that there are "pauses" in the nuclear chain of command where somebody makes a quick evaluation. Wing command in the USAF, and maybe sub captain in the navy. I think the days of Doctor Strangelove are far behind us.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

We do not engage in first strikes.

Crippling our ability to respond to nuclear attack for partisan political reasons is traitorous and unacceptable.

We're the *only* country that's engaged in first strikes. Our stated policy does not prohibit first strikes. We say we will only use them in "extreme circumstances". Our laws do not prohibit first strikes, although Sen Warren introduced legislation early this year to try and change it to that.

Where'd you get the idea we don't or won't?

So do think the context here was first strikes or that we would somehow not respond to a nuclear threat because Trump was in office? And if it was first strikes, was that not in line with how you think America operates?

 

[BehindBlueI's]

While I'm sure the real answer is classified, I would imagine that there are "pauses" in the nuclear chain of command where somebody makes a quick evaluation. Wing command in the USAF, and maybe sub captain in the navy. I think the days of Doctor Strangelove are far behind us.

I've got a good friend who was part of the nuclear navy and I think you're correct from what he's been able to tell me. There are a lot of checks built into the system, and several people have to agree that orders are both real and are legitimate. It'd have to be a hell of a tough call to make.