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  • melensdad

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    Using an automatic Tire Pressure Monitoring System has been interesting and enlightening. Its a little add on device, 2 sensors, one on each of your valve stems and a small waterproof display that mounts on your bike.

    Been playing around with the tire pressures.

    If I recall, the factory tire pressure recommendation for my motorcycle is 36psi Front & 41psi Rear

    At those pressures I found the bike skittish, especially in some of the rural areas I ride where gravel is often scattered on corners and occasionally out in the road. Especially the rear tire, which, if inflated to 41psi would often climb to 45psi as the tire heated up. At those pressures the tire was rock hard and if it hit a rock it would typically "spit" it out to one side or the other, causing the bike to be slightly upset, instead of rolling over the rock.

    I've now settled on 35F/35R and seem pretty happy with those pressures, the tires seem to stick better to the roadways, the bike is no longer "spitting"gravel and seems much more stable in the corners.

    Much lower than those pressures and the bike also acts squirrelly in the corners, but doesn't bounce or spit rocks like at the higher pressures. When starting out at 35/35 psi for the front rears, the pressures typically increase to about 38psi as the tires warm up and stay at those pressure while out riding on normal summer days.

    FWIW, when riding on hot/sunny days, the tires will heat up and the pressures will increase 3 to 5 psi. I noticed that when the tire pressure was about 40PSI the pressures could increase up to 5 additional psi. But at pressures in the mid-30's, I only notice the pressures going up about 3 psi. So I'm wondering if higher starting pressures = higher growth in riding pressure do to higher tire temperatures? This is observational, and could be based on weather conditions, as I've not been using the TPMS for very long.
     

    melensdad

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    Can you run nitrogen in the tires instead to alleviate this?
    Probably but then you'd want to adjust the pressures UP to account for it.

    So if I am running roughly 35psi front and rear at the start, but they heat up while riding and go to roughly 38psi F/R while on the roadway after they heat up, then, switching to Nitrogen I'd want to fill them to 38psi so that when they heat up they remain at approximately 38psi. Seems like 38psi, for my bike/my current tires, is just about perfect, while on the road.

    Or just use generic "air" and keep them at 35psi for cold tires so they heat up to 38psi.

    Honestly I think the key is to find the sweet spot for you bike/tires. Then keep your pressures there. Free air from my air compressor is easy. With the TPMS it is pretty simple. I started with factory pressures, then adjusted based on ride feel.
     

    bwframe

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    Probably but then you'd want to adjust the pressures UP to account for it.

    So if I am running roughly 35psi front and rear at the start, but they heat up while riding and go to roughly 38psi F/R while on the roadway after they heat up, then, switching to Nitrogen I'd want to fill them to 38psi so that when they heat up they remain at approximately 38psi. Seems like 38psi, for my bike/my current tires, is just about perfect, while on the road.

    Or just use generic "air" and keep them at 35psi for cold tires so they heat up to 38psi.

    Honestly I think the key is to find the sweet spot for you bike/tires. Then keep your pressures there. Free air from my air compressor is easy. With the TPMS it is pretty simple. I started with factory pressures, then adjusted based on ride feel.
    That pressure seems high compared to my Kawasaki manual stating 36/32?

    I believe the specs in the manual are for a cold pressure check? The cold pressure is based on the understanding that pressure will increase with heat from use on the road surface?
     

    melensdad

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    That pressure seems high compared to my Kawasaki manual stating 36/32?

    I believe the specs in the manual are for a cold pressure check? The cold pressure is based on the understanding that pressure will increase with heat from use on the road surface?
    Yes. Tire pressure recommendations are based on COLD pressure and assume pressures rise as you ride.

    Pressure recommendations vary pretty widely based on bike weight, tire type, etc. My bike weighs 525# (manufacturer’s wet weight) but is about 550# with cases and racks. Stock tires are 80/20 on/off road tires, there is some variance in tire pressure by year, but for my year, for my model, triple checked recommendations, 36/42 psi for front/rear.
     
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    melensdad

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    I've always based my pressures by tire manufacturer's recommendations rather than the bike manufacturer.
    I run Michelin Road 5 tires. I consulted the Michelin website. According to the Michelin website:

    A common misunderstanding is the maximum tire inflation pressure and maximum load marking on the tire sidewall. It is not the recommended tire inflation pressure. Instead it is the maximum weight that the tire is designed to support at the maximum cold inflation pressure. Consult the motorcycle owner's manual or placard on the motorcycle to determine the manufacturer specified tire air pressure for the motorcycle.

     

    Indyhd

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    I run Michelin Road 5 tires. I consulted the Michelin website. According to the Michelin website:

    A common misunderstanding is the maximum tire inflation pressure and maximum load marking on the tire sidewall. It is not the recommended tire inflation pressure. Instead it is the maximum weight that the tire is designed to support at the maximum cold inflation pressure. Consult the motorcycle owner's manual or placard on the motorcycle to determine the manufacturer specified tire air pressure for the motorcycle.
    Sounds like a lawyers response to limit liability.
    How can a bike manufacturer give you tire inflation recommendations when they have no idea what brand of tire you will be using once you replace the factory tires ?
     

    melensdad

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    Sounds like a lawyers response to limit liability.
    How can a bike manufacturer give you tire inflation recommendations when they have no idea what brand of tire you will be using once you replace the factory tires ?
    Tire manufacturer has no idea what weight bike you ride.

    Same size tire will fit a 350# dual sport and an 800# cruiser! Different pressure required for the same tire for different bikes.
     

    JettaKnight

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    Sounds like a lawyers response to limit liability.
    How can a bike manufacturer give you tire inflation recommendations when they have no idea what brand of tire you will be using once you replace the factory tires ?
    :facepalm: .

    That was my friend's reaction to that.

    He's a senior engineer with a major tire manufacturer.


    The tire manufacturers' recommendation is to follow the placard pressure.
     

    tv1217

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    Yeah time to take out the slack in my chain. Bike spec is 1¼" and it's up around 2 cause I've been...slacking. Meant to do it today but never got around to it before I went to sleep and it was too late when I got up so had to take my truck to work today. Boo.
     

    melensdad

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    So this arrived in the mail today.

    Going to take a good hard look and do some trip planning.

    It looks doable. Got to coordinate the travel dates, but we are looking at late August, early September. Biggest hangup may be our foster son, he is supposed to be 'reunited' into his grandmother's care in mid-August, if that goes as scheduled then we could head out of town shortly thereafter.

    But there is, as of today, some question about when he will be leaving our home, we have a hard return date of Sept 10 due to other obligations so it would not be practical to start this trip after August 20. We'd hope to leave before August 18.

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    melensdad

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    My beard is trimmed shorter than yours and far more Grey hair too. Mine offers less impact protection so I stick with full face helmets.

    Lots of these images out on the inter webs. All data seems to track back to a German study of motorcycle head impacts. Based on these, your beard offers more protection than your skull pot. 72069670-F7AD-4571-B950-68894D84F32D.jpeg 3744D742-FBB9-427A-B936-1FB9F82CBF3B.jpeg 26820568-488E-42B2-ACD1-51F4EB76C1D4.jpeg
     

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