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[rooster]

I think it’s speculation to say he was planted. It begs the question, who planted him? What evidence is there for that? And I’m not saying it’s wrong to speculate. But it’s a good idea to divide speculative suspicion from fact based belief.

Do we have irrefutable evidence? No do we have a lot of circumstantial coincidences. Absolutely.

let’s start with John Sullivan’s brother
who allegedly turned him in. He was a part to a violent event at a BLM protest that got a taser deployed and guns drawn and yet he didn’t get picked up by locals or feds. That’s weird......then he turned his fellow protestor brother into the feds for being in Dc? Almost sounds like he might have been a CI.......

Man faces assault charges after allegedly brandishing gun at Black Lives Matter Utah protesters

WEST VALLEY CITY (ABC4 News) – A Provo man is facing multiple charges of assault and disorderly conduct after cell phone video showed him brandishing a gun at a Black Lives Matter Utah protes…

www.google.com

Where did John get the money to get to DC? That’s a long drive, lotta gas food, at least one hotel stay. Far as anyone can tell he is a professional protester who dabbles in selling footage. So someone paid his way.

will we ever know who? Maybe in 30 years when this stuff is all unsealed and foia requests finally get through but right now the party in control and the those swamp creatures are who care only for themselves have a vested interest in making sure the narrative on this goes a certain way.

Enough proof to convince a jury? No enough stink to make me want more answers, yes

This man turned in his own brother for his involvement in the Capitol insurrection

The FBI is encouraging people to turn in anyone they know involved in the Capitol insurrection. For some, that has meant turning in friends and family.

www.google.com

 

[BugI02]

Would you like to discuss that? Or are you just being a smartass?

A little of both, as always

The dialectic is a method for getting at the truth by holders of opposing viewpoints. Its utility, when arguing with CRT proponents, would be non-existent; given that they have already received 'the truth' and only wish to force the counter-party to mouth the words or shut up. More like an ad hoc struggle session than anything Hegel envisioned or supported

 

[jamil]

In our normal system folks are innocent until proven guilty, therefore any opinion is speculation but I don't se many posts that accuse others of speculation when they say OJ was guilty, but for some reason on this topic you are quite sensitive to what seems quite a normal thing, applying past bad behavior by the government to the current situations that are as yet undetermined and very well may never be due to the politics involved...

I don’t really think I’m the sensitive one. I just say something about it being speculative and then you guys act like I’m trying to pry your very belief from you.

If I speculate that OJ did it, it’s not like that’s going to motivate me to do something drastic. People speculated that Trump was robbed of his election. And that may be true on one level or another. But some of you, not saying anyone here on INGO, believed their speculation enough to go to the Capitol, forcefully enter, and try to…actually I don’t really know what the **** they thought they were doing. But had they thought about it at the level of speculation, instead of believing it as fact, well. I just don’t think sane people would do what they did just over speculation.

 

[jamil]

Do we have irrefutable evidence? No do we have a lot of circumstantial coincidences. Absolutely.

let’s start with John Sullivan’s brother
who allegedly turned him in. He was a part to a violent event at a BLM protest that got a taser deployed and guns drawn and yet he didn’t get picked up by locals or feds. That’s weird......then he turned his fellow protestor brother into the feds for being in Dc? Almost sounds like he might have been a CI.......

Man faces assault charges after allegedly brandishing gun at Black Lives Matter Utah protesters

WEST VALLEY CITY (ABC4 News) – A Provo man is facing multiple charges of assault and disorderly conduct after cell phone video showed him brandishing a gun at a Black Lives Matter Utah protes…

www.google.com

Where did John get the money to get to DC? That’s a long drive, lotta gas food, at least one hotel stay. Far as anyone can tell he is a professional protester who dabbles in selling footage. So someone paid his way.

will we ever know who? Maybe in 30 years when this stuff is all unsealed and foia requests finally get through but right now the party in control and the those swamp creatures are who care only for themselves have a vested interest in making sure the narrative on this goes a certain way.

Enough proof to convince a jury? No enough stink to make me want more answers, yes

This man turned in his own brother for his involvement in the Capitol insurrection

The FBI is encouraging people to turn in anyone they know involved in the Capitol insurrection. For some, that has meant turning in friends and family.

www.google.com

Sure. That’s what reasoned speculation does. It can lead you to seeking more facts. It doesn’t lead you to wanting to start an insurrection.

 

[jamil]

A little of both, as always

The dialectic is a method for getting at the truth by holders of opposing viewpoints. Its utility, when arguing with CRT proponents, would be non-existent; given that they have already received 'the truth' and only wish to force the counter-party to mouth the words or shut up. More like an ad hoc struggle session than anything Hegel envisioned or supported

I’m not talking about dialectic in the Hegelian sense. More in the Marxist sense. Marx rejected Hegel’s dialectic saying it was too abstract to be useful. He wasn’t interested in methods of resolving truth. It’s an iterative process that follows the basic formula thesis/antithesis/synthesis, to continually progress towards a perfect society. Each stage is modified by the negative (another Marxian construct that kinda serves as the antithesis) to arrive at the synthesis. It’s insane.

 

[rooster]

Sure. That’s what reasoned speculation does. It can lead you to seeking more facts. It doesn’t lead you to wanting to start an insurrection.

alright I’m tired of dishonest word play. I’ll break this down like a geometry proof as to why this wasn’t an insurrection.

definition from webster

Definition of insurrection​

: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

So it’s an act of revolt. What’s a revolt

Definition of revolt​

(Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1: to renounce allegiance or subjection (as to a government) :

Did anyone renounce as a group allegiance or subjugation.?

so a synonym of revolt is rebel so...

Definition of rebel​

(Entry 1 of 3)
1a: opposing or taking arms against a government or ruler


did they take up arms? As far as I and the media has seen outside of a couple lacrosse sticks and random things grabbed I don’t think we can say they “took up arms” the vast majority of people their probably had gun cabinets that look like yours and mine with armor and the whole 9 so I don’t think we can say they “took up arms”

Thus this event that took place on 1/6 was not an insurrection. What it was is up for debate but it wasn’t a dang insurrection

 

[JCSR]

This thread...........

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Thus this event that took place on 1/6 was not an insurrection. What it was is up for debate but it wasn’t a dang insurrection

Or as the media likes to call it, "A violent insurrection". If the BLM and Antifa riots last year were "mostly peaceful", then what happened on Jan. 6 was the equivalent of a mother rocking her baby to sleep.

 

[BigRed]

alright I’m tired of dishonest word play. I’ll break this down like a geometry proof as to why this wasn’t an insurrection.

definition from webster

Definition of insurrection​

: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

So it’s an act of revolt. What’s a revolt

Definition of revolt​

(Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1: to renounce allegiance or subjection (as to a government) :

Did anyone renounce as a group allegiance or subjugation.?

so a synonym of revolt is rebel so...

Definition of rebel​

(Entry 1 of 3)
1a: opposing or taking arms against a government or ruler


did they take up arms? As far as I and the media has seen outside of a couple lacrosse sticks and random things grabbed I don’t think we can say they “took up arms” the vast majority of people their probably had gun cabinets that look like yours and mine with armor and the whole 9 so I don’t think we can say they “took up arms”

Thus this event that took place on 1/6 was not an insurrection. What it was is up for debate but it wasn’t a dang insurrection

Yep....but they will beat that drum all day and all night until the sheep get in line and hum along.

(Hey, just like the so called "civil war" but I do not want to jack the thread.)

 

[BigRed]

Or as the media likes to call it, "A violent insurrection". If the BLM and Antifa riots last year were "mostly peaceful", then what happened on Jan. 6 was the equivalent of a mother rocking her baby to sleep.

It is a "peaceful protest" when you are on the receiving end. It is "the worst event since the civil war" when a politician is on the receiving end.

Politicians are by and large absolute ********.

 

[jamil]

alright I’m tired of dishonest word play. I’ll break this down like a geometry proof as to why this wasn’t an insurrection.

definition from webster

Definition of insurrection​

: an act or instance of revolting against civil authority or an established government

So it’s an act of revolt. What’s a revolt

Definition of revolt​

(Entry 1 of 2)
intransitive verb
1: to renounce allegiance or subjection (as to a government) :

Did anyone renounce as a group allegiance or subjugation.?

so a synonym of revolt is rebel so...

Definition of rebel​

(Entry 1 of 3)
1a: opposing or taking arms against a government or ruler


did they take up arms? As far as I and the media has seen outside of a couple lacrosse sticks and random things grabbed I don’t think we can say they “took up arms” the vast majority of people their probably had gun cabinets that look like yours and mine with armor and the whole 9 so I don’t think we can say they “took up arms”

Thus this event that took place on 1/6 was not an insurrection. What it was is up for debate but it wasn’t a dang insurrection

Who’s being dishonest? Was it an insurrection? Well that wasn’t the point. We were talking about speculation. And what reasonable actions one might take based on speculation. It’s the same point regardless of what you call it.

Okay so now, was it an insurrection, idunno. Does a person have to be armed to participate in an insurrection? It sure seemed to me, judging from the comments, at least a few of them thought they were participating in one. But as I’ve pointed out numerous times. Most of them stayed within the ropes. If they thought they were participating in an insurrection, I’m sure they didn’t understand what one is.

 

[jamil]

It is a "peaceful protest" when you are on the receiving end. It is "the worst event since the civil war" when a politician is on the receiving end.

Politicians are by and large absolute ********.

I can’t argue with that

 

[DoggyDaddy]

I can’t argue with that

 

[jamil]

Okay. Fine. I *could* argue with that. But that would make me an ******* for arguing against something I agree with.

 

[IndyDave1776]

If I were starting an insurrection, I wouldn't be going in with random strangers and I sure as hell would be armed with something better than a flagpole.

 

[jamil]

If I were starting an insurrection, I wouldn't be going in with random strangers and I sure as hell would be armed with something better than a flagpole.

Hopefully you’d wander past the ropes too.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Hopefully you’d wander past the ropes too.

Yes, that too.

 

[rhamersley]

Yes, that too.

”Welp, thats it. They called olly olly oxen free…we have to go home, now.”

 

[BugI02]

I’m not talking about dialectic in the Hegelian sense. More in the Marxist sense. Marx rejected Hegel’s dialectic saying it was too abstract to be useful. He wasn’t interested in methods of resolving truth. It’s an iterative process that follows the basic formula thesis/antithesis/synthesis, to continually progress towards a perfect society. Each stage is modified by the negative (another Marxian construct that kinda serves as the antithesis) to arrive at the synthesis. It’s insane.

So, as I said "apropos of nothing". It's as if Marx just chose to use 'dialectic' because he thought it sounded erudite

You win that game by electing not to play

 

[jamil]

So, as I said "apropos of nothing". It's as if Marx just chose to use 'dialectic' because he thought it sounded erudite

You win that game by electing not to play

We don’t choose to play or not to play. It underlies wokeism. If it’s a game, we’re losing. The wokeish control most of the institutions.

I added a quote from Marx in the other thread. Dialectic Materialism is essentially Marx’s doctrine of Historical Materialism.