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Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II
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I see a very simple solution. It's a shame somr others can't see it.
Everyone is created in the image of God. That settles it.
Everyone is created in the image of God. That settles it.
We Christians all give lip service to multirace/multiethnic churches, but in reality it's widely understood that the "white" way of doing church is the proper way. We're happy to have black folks come to church, but they better keep their mouth shut during the sermon and not wear bright, four button polyester suits. (the last one is just a good rule for all situations in life)
I've been reading & listening to a lot of black and white Christians dealing with this - a lot of black Christians were at one time or another completely convinced that "white was right" when it came to doing church. Unfortunately, the SBC isn't ready for them unless they conform (but that's a topic for another thread).
So even in the church we had to deal with unacknowledged, unintentional supremacy.
Some day I do hope to sit down with T.Lex, so...
You know that nobody in their right mind will answer that question truthfully. Well, I'd say that nobody would search themselves for what they unconscious bias is. There's a reason I call my end of town "Vanilla Village". A white guy can sit at the community pond fishing all day without a sideways glance. But black man? I guarantee this HOA vice president is going to hear about it.
Put that in the context of vaccinations.
I see the modern nationalist movement as an outgrowth of self-interest; the nationalist circle and "don't inconvenience me" circles have a lot of overlap.
I consider myself as a patriotic American, but not a nationalist.
NBC Today just interviewed one of the jurors, Brandon Mitchell.
To paraphrase, 11 out of twelve jurors wanted to walk into the jury room, vote guilty-guilty-guilty and walk back out.
One did not, and he clarified that juror was not a "hold-out" but wanted to walk through the judge's instructions and the elements of each count... he wanted "due diligence".
That took 4 hours of deliberations, which Mitchell quantified as "too long".
To paraphrase, 11 out of twelve jurors wanted to walk into the jury room, vote guilty-guilty-guilty and walk back out.
One did not, and he clarified that juror was not a "hold-out" but wanted to walk through the judge's instructions and the elements of each count... he wanted "due diligence".
That took 4 hours of deliberations, which Mitchell quantified as "too long".
Wait, so the 12th Juror wasn't "intimidated?" Or was he intimidated over the course of the 4 hours and finally caved?NBC Today just interviewed one of the jurors, Brandon Mitchell.
To paraphrase, 11 out of twelve jurors wanted to walk into the jury room, vote guilty-guilty-guilty and walk back out.
One did not, and he clarified that juror was not a "hold-out" but wanted to walk through the judge's instructions and the elements of each count... he wanted "due diligence".
That took 4 hours of deliberations, which Mitchell quantified as "too long".
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As for church, if you're honoring God you're doing it right, regardless of how much of how little rhythm or how interactive thd service may be.
About the neighborhood, when I was in college we had a chapel secretary who had an interesting life. She had been a very successful realtor and at thd time still owned the Better Homes and Gardens franchise in Irving Texas. She retired from real estate on doctors orders but could still share some stories.
In one case she had a situation in which a man on the moving crew moving a customer told an inquisitive kid "the blacks ard moving in". On the day the customers were in the office for the last of the paperwork, Ann took pleasure in introducing a white couple with "folks, I would like to introduce Mr. and Mrs. Black." She then told the couple that their new neighbors were here to meet them, turned it into a positive, and took great pleasure in serving up humble pie to the neighbors, who I understand were indeed humbled.
Nope, I'm not addressing that, you have me confused with someone else... one wanted to ensure that the facts of the case determined from the trial were applied to the elements of the charges based upon law... or at least give lip service to it.
Eleven others didn't even want to look at the elements of the crimes written into the law... just guilty-guilty-guilty.
IANAL, but I think this is a problem for the prosecution on appeals... the vast majority of the jury did not want to do it's duty - apply the facts to the law to reach a verdict.
Hmmm...maybe the question that should've been asked is why did the 11 want to do that with such haste?NBC Today just interviewed one of the jurors, Brandon Mitchell.
To paraphrase, 11 out of twelve jurors wanted to walk into the jury room, vote guilty-guilty-guilty and walk back out.
One did not, and he clarified that juror was not a "hold-out" but wanted to walk through the judge's instructions and the elements of each count... he wanted "due diligence".
That took 4 hours of deliberations, which Mitchell quantified as "too long".
This fat, white boy is going to make it there. Our church's coffee is too weak for that.
Hmmm...
Maybe that's by design- low caffeine levels to keep the congregations' hands down.
I've come up with our slogan: "Our coffee is weak, but our theology is strong."
PS - If I wasn't already strongly linked to you in some INGOers' minds, I'd be irked that you 'liked' my post.
Again, IANAL, but I thought the minimum duty of the jury was to look at EVERY element of EACH charge and unanimously determine whether the prosecution proved beyond a reasonable doubt EACH element before determining a verdict on each charge.
That 11 out of twelve wanted to reach a verdict before examining each element is problematic.
They asked Mr Mitchell when he made his mind up... he said with Dr Toobin's testimony... that is only ONE element of each charge, that Chauvin caused Floyd's death.
I think this is a problem on appeal. A BIG problem... some legal types thought 10 hours was problematic with this many charges... that it was actually 4 hours and 11 out of 12 wanted to skip even that... that's a problem.
That 11 out of twelve wanted to reach a verdict before examining each element is problematic.
They asked Mr Mitchell when he made his mind up... he said with Dr Toobin's testimony... that is only ONE element of each charge, that Chauvin caused Floyd's death.
I think this is a problem on appeal. A BIG problem... some legal types thought 10 hours was problematic with this many charges... that it was actually 4 hours and 11 out of 12 wanted to skip even that... that's a problem.
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Just because I can't jump, it doesn't stop me from being happy to see anyone who can and does do it.This is why it doesn't work in a "white" chuch...
Yeah sorry, I try not to like people's posts too much, because people DO notice.This fat, white boy is going to make it there. Our church's coffee is too weak for that.
Hmmm...
Maybe that's by design- low caffeine levels to keep the congregations' hands down.
I've come up with our slogan: "Our coffee is weak, but our theology is strong."
PS - If I wasn't already strongly linked to you in some INGOers' minds, I'd be irked that you 'liked' my post.
Doubtful. Like very doubtful. You'd have to prove that the jurors were ignorant of the elements of the charges; and you won't be able to do that. They most certainly had the elements explained more than once. Some jurors just want refreshers to put it all together.
