Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man part II

[KLB]

It amazes me the things people will defend sometimes.

 

[BugI02]

A Black South Baptist is more aligned with a White Southern Baptist, that he is with a Black East Coast Catholic.

Do those Baptists attend the same church, or do they want their own? And, if 'B', why do you think that is?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Do those Baptists attend the same church, or do they want their own? And, if 'B', why do you think that is?

I wouldn’t know. I’m speaking hypothetically. What does that have to do with premise I posed? If you’re asking for a personal reference, you’re going to be disappointed... especially concerning Southern Baptists.

 

[buckwacker]

It amazes me the things people will defend sometimes.

Eh? Who is defending what?

 

[BugI02]

I wouldn’t know. I’m speaking hypothetically. What does that have to do with premise I posed? If you’re asking for a personal reference, you’re going to be disappointed... especially concerning Southern Baptists.

It is my suspicion that even those Baptists, which was your counter example, segregate themselves because they want a 'homeland' - a church of their own. They don't think they're superior to the other group, they are not SBC supremacists or NBC supremacists. They just want to be left alone

 

[Kutnupe14]

It amazes me the things people will defend sometimes.

INGO delivers!

 

[BugI02]

The key difference between ‘nationalists’ and ‘supremacists’

<p>Almost every American is a “nationalist” of one kind or another. So is almost every Russian, Chinese, or North Korean. Don’t get mad. We are not accusing you of any sort of bias, racism, or other unpleasant views. We are merely trying to emphasize, again, how overly simplistic some labels can...

www.cjr.org

 

[KG1]

Eh? Who is defending what?

Well based on the current discussion I would venture to guess he was referring to WN and WS.

 

[Kutnupe14]

It is my suspicion that even those Baptists, which was your counter example, segregate themselves because they want a 'homeland' - a church of their own. They don't think they're superior to the other group, they are not SBC supremacists or NBC supremacists. They just want to be left alone

Originally that would be true, for Southern Baptist. Speaking personally, that’s not so true anymore. Given history, yes older churches were/are segregated; but around the time I was in HS, smaller congregations began holding “home and away services,” a practice still observed today. And those people love each other. They charter greyhounds and head to conventions like it was a trip to Vegas. And that’s the Southern Baptists, other Baptists in my hometown are pretty mixed Open Door is one of those churches, with a mixed pulpit. So when I say a Southern Baptist would be more comfortable with a White Southern Baptist over an East Coast Black Catholic, that true, at least from where I’m from.
*I do not presume to speak on behalf of all, just relaying personal experience.

 

[BugI02]

Well based on the current discussion I would venture to guess WN and WS.

Actually, whether they are the same or different

 

[Kutnupe14]

The key difference between ‘nationalists’ and ‘supremacists’

<p>Almost every American is a “nationalist” of one kind or another. So is almost every Russian, Chinese, or North Korean. Don’t get mad. We are not accusing you of any sort of bias, racism, or other unpleasant views. We are merely trying to emphasize, again, how overly simplistic some labels can...

www.cjr.org

That does not really help you case. It’s a lot of words that don’t really say anything but “I disagree with the dictionary definition.”

 

[KG1]

Actually, whether they are the same or different

I suspect he doesn’t see a difference. Neither one are worthy of defending. That’s just my take.

 

[buckwacker]

Well based on the current discussion I would venture to guess he was referring to WN and WS.

And the who?

 

[BugI02]

Originally that would be true, for Southern Baptist. Speaking personally, that’s not so true anymore. Given history, yes older churches were/are segregated; but around the time I was in HS, smaller congregations began holding “home and away services,” a practice still observed today. And those people love each other. They charter greyhounds and head to conventions like it was a trip to Vegas. And that’s the Southern Baptists, other Baptists in my hometown are pretty mixed Open Door is one of those churches, with a mixed pulpit. So when I say a Southern Baptist would be more comfortable with a White Southern Baptist over an East Coast Black Catholic, that true, at least from where I’m from.
*I do not presume to speak on behalf of all, just relaying personal experience.

I was raised Baptist, but I found out later my Dad was a Catholic who converted to marry my Mom because she would not convert nor agree to raise her children Catholic, so they could not be married in the church

They were Presbyterian until we moved (from near Philly) to upstate NY. When we got there, the Presbyterian church was too liberal for my Dad and he found the local Baptist church to be a better fit. I didn't get exposed to the anti-Catholicism that was pretty common, though, because my Dad still missed the church (he returned to it and was shriven on his deathbed) and so many of my rels were Catholic

 

[BugI02]

I suspect he doesn’t see a difference. Neither one are worthy of defending. That’s just my take.

I'm not defending either, I don't really know anything first hand about them. I merely stated way upthread that, given their stated goals, there is a difference between the two and they should not be conflated - as he was doing when that attracted my attention

 

[KG1]

I'm not defending either, I don't really know anything first hand about them. I merely stated way upthread that, given their stated goals, there is a difference between the two and they should not be conflated - as he was doing when that attracted my attention

I guess you can’t have a discussion about it without being accused of defending it.

 

[BugI02]

I guess you can’t have a discussion about it without being accused of defending it.

Well, I'm white so I'm automatically a racist by default

 

[KG1]

I don’t consider my views on nationalism to be racist. I guess I lean more toward being a nationalist who also happens to be white. That’s where I draw the distinction from WN and WS.

I am an American nationalist. Not a white America and not a black America. Just America.

I believe Trump had the same overall vision for everyone. Others may disagree.

 

[nonobaddog]

I don’t consider my views on nationalism to be racist. I guess I lean more toward being a nationalist who also happens to be white. That’s where I draw the distinction from WN and WS.

I am an American nationalist. Not a white America and not a black America. Just America.

I believe Trump had the same overall vision for everyone. Others may will disagree.

Fixy

 

[kickbacked]

Originally that would be true, for Southern Baptist. Speaking personally, that’s not so true anymore. Given history, yes older churches were/are segregated; but around the time I was in HS, smaller congregations began holding “home and away services,” a practice still observed today. And those people love each other. They charter greyhounds and head to conventions like it was a trip to Vegas. And that’s the Southern Baptists, other Baptists in my hometown are pretty mixed Open Door is one of those churches, with a mixed pulpit. So when I say a Southern Baptist would be more comfortable with a White Southern Baptist over an East Coast Black Catholic, that true, at least from where I’m from.
*I do not presume to speak on behalf of all, just relaying personal experience.

A catholic isnt sitting down with a baptist. They dont have time to have their ear talked off and the over the top positivity may kill them.