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[jamil]

Nope, SCOTUS said reversing was not legit...

Nonsense. I assume you're talking about the DACA ruling. That was a narrow (and incorrect, politically motivated) ruling concerning one E.O., not something that widely established precedence. Generally EO's can be reversed by any president. But courts do have oversight. So you get enough TDS going on and they make ideological rulings.

 

[Ingomike]

It applies to more than criminal law, it applies to civil law as well. If someone were to sue a candidate to release their BC that would be a civil action, and as such they would be required to show evidence that the candidate did not possess one.

Ever hear of standards of proof? You know the beyond a reasonable doubt that got OJ off but the civil trial was a lesser standard. There are different ones.

It absolutely do governments job to ensure the president is constitutionally eligible as they have sworn an oath go uphold it.

 

[Ingomike]

Nonsense. I assume you're talking about the DACA ruling. That was a narrow (and incorrect, politically motivated) ruling concerning one E.O., not something that widely established precedence. Generally EO's can be reversed by any president. But courts do have oversight. So you get enough TDS going on and they make ideological rulings.

That seems a contradiction to be nonsense then cite a precise case that applies. Your post reads like those liberal fact checkers. LOL

 

[jamil]

I find it amazing what some people take issue with, when it comes from an different view, and yet are struck blind when it comes from a view they are sympathetic to.

That phenomenon hits both sides dude.

 

[jamil]

That seems a contradiction to be nonsense then cite a precise case that applies. Your post reads like those liberal fact checkers. LOL

You claimed that SCOTUS ruled that president's couldn't rescind other president's EOs. THAT's nonsense. The SCOTUS ruled no such way. It was specific to that one case and did not establish the precedent you claimed. Presidents can indeed cancel other president's EO's.

 

[foszoe]

Ever hear of standards of proof? You know the beyond a reasonable doubt that got OJ off but the civil trial was a lesser standard. There are different ones.

It absolutely do governments job to ensure the president is constitutionally eligible as they have sworn an oath go uphold it.

I have stated how I believe the procedure should happen if a birth certificate is required.

My position would be that each individual vote decided Obama met the constitutional requirements when they voted for him.

Power should ALWAYS reside with the people not the government

 

[jamil]

I have stated how I believe the procedure should happen if a birth certificate is required.

My position would be that each individual vote decided Obama met the constitutional requirements when they voted for him.

Power should ALWAYS reside with the people not the government

Cool. So I get to have the police cruiser.

 

[foszoe]

Cool. So I get to have the police cruiser.

I am the idiot people claim me to be.

Speak as plainly as you wish I would.so I can understand

Thanks

 

[jamil]

I am the idiot people claim me to be.

Speak as plainly as you wish I would.so I can understand

Thanks

It was a joke, playing on your statement that power should ALWAYS reside with the people. I have no objection to that statement, but it made me think of what powers the government has. And I'd kinda like to have my own police cruiser. But if I had my druthers, I kinda want this one:

 

[jamil]

And one of these:

 

[foszoe]

It was a joke, playing on your statement that power should ALWAYS reside with the people. I have no objection to that statement, but it made me think of what powers the government has. And I'd kinda like to have my own police cruiser. But if I had my druthers, I kinda want this one:

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Oh OK.

I thought about being a town Marshall once.

 

[jamil]

Oh OK.

I thought about being a town Marshall once.

Oh. I don't want to be a cop. I just want some of the cars. I'm kinda digging that border patrol buggy.

 

[Ingomike]

You claimed that SCOTUS ruled that president's couldn't rescind other president's EOs. THAT's nonsense. The SCOTUS ruled no such way. It was specific to that one case and did not establish the precedent you claimed. Presidents can indeed cancel other president's EO's.

One ruling makes it clear and sets a precedent that CAN be followed. If republicans had any balz, like in that video, they would challenge every one of Biden's but they dont have balz...

 

[jamil]

One ruling makes it clear and sets a precedent that CAN be followed. If republicans had any balz, like in that video, they would challenge every one of Biden's but they dont have balz...

The APA gives the courts the ability to challenge individual EO's. It was the APA that the majority opinion cited in that ruling. So that's been a thing for 70+ years. But they did not rule that presidents could not cancel other president's EO's. And that's what you originally said.

And why does it have to be "Republicans" doing the challenging. The NCAAP is the organization that challenged Trump's EO to cancel DACA. No reason you can't help organize some crowd funding and get some lawyers to challenge every EO.

 

[Kutnupe14]

That phenomenon hits both sides dude.

I don’t disagree

 

[BugI02]

In Indiana not showing proof of insurance at a traffic stop isn't grounds to be issued a ticket for having no insurance, the officer is required to have probable cause independent of not showing proof of insurance. Also as I stated above, driving is considered a privilege granted by the govt.

In Ohio there is a box on the ticket that is checked if you show proof of insurance. If not you will have to show it in court - and you're going to court because you cannot simply pay the fine if you show no proof of insurance, court appearance required

Also, the stop is never about insurance alone, and you're not getting off with a warning without PoI, either

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Ever hear of standards of proof? You know the beyond a reasonable doubt that got OJ off but the civil trial was a lesser standard. There are different ones.

It absolutely do governments job to ensure the president is constitutionally eligible as they have sworn an oath go uphold it.

Yep, I've heard of them. And yes there are different ones, three to be exact. Civil is generally preponderance of the evidence, and there is also clear and convincing evidence which falls between the two. And may apply in a civil or criminal case depending on where you are among other things.

Still doesn't change what I stated in that the accuser would be required to show proof. Or evidence if you would prefer.

And the govt swore an oath?

In Ohio there is a box on the ticket that is checked if you show proof of insurance. If not you will have to show it in court - and you're going to court because you cannot simply pay the fine if you show no proof of insurance, court appearance required

Also, the stop is never about insurance alone, and you're not getting off with a warning without PoI, either

Things are a bit "different" here in Indiana. You are not required to show proof when stopped, but the BMV may require you to show it depending. If convicted of a traffic offense requiring a court appearance(generally criminal not infractions), if you're in an accident, or iirc if convicted of a 3 moving violations within one year. If you don't show it you are subject to an administrative suspension of your license and/or registration.

There is also an infraction/criminal law which requires the officer to have probable cause independent(per case law) of the person not showing PoI before citing/arresting/towing. No idea of how it works when it goes to court as I've never received one.

But as I said, driving is considered a privilege and as such can be regulated by the states. And the states have passed laws regarding such. Have the states or federal govt passed any laws regarding showing birth certificate or other proof of being a natural born citizen? How about college records or tax returns? It might be easier to do for the states, since they can and do put restrictions on who appears on the ballot.

 

[jamil]

The accuser is supposed to show proof? That sounds like an internet argument. We’re talking about eligibility.

 

[BugI02]

Have the states or federal govt passed any laws regarding showing birth certificate or other proof of being a natural born citizen?

Yes, I believe the states set their own standards, within an established evidentiary framework, for secure ID. The Feds didn't mandate birth certificate or passport (which is the same thing one step removed) because they couldn't, but they set the standards to have the state's program recognized - but your state (and mine) was willing to impose that requirement

And, by the way, the constitution doesn't specify any sort of passport, either - yet we have them

I do not see why it should require more evidence of citizenship to visit the Bahamas than Obama needed to show to run for president

 

[JCSR]