Biden popularity

[churchmouse]

In every area of POTUS influence (which generally omits The Economy), Trump left the office and the country in worse shape than he received it.

I don't blame Trump for things beyond his control - like the pandemic. But to be consistent, one ought not blame Biden for Texas shutting down oil production and refining during a "snowstorm."

It is still early. Biden hasn't had much chance to "do" much of anything to further his policy statements. So, his numbers very much reflect a honeymoon period. But even in that regard, he's off to a better start than Trump.

The nation needs his numbers to fall between now and the midterms. (Although, depending on who you believe, the polls don't indicate anything of value for even that purpose.)

Man sometimes you just do not make any sense. How is the Texas thing Trumps fault. As is every other thing people seem to blame on that guy. I am curious. Please enlighten me as I can not see a connection.

As to Bidiots numbers.......his are cooked by an owned and complicit MSM and this should jump out to the front with any clear thinking individual.

Know I am no real Trumper but I did see what he did to wake this place up and he (IMHO) did not leave it worse than he found it. All the bad crap as in riots etc can and were traced back too those pulling Bidiots strings. The pandemic is Nancy and Schumers baby girl along with that little mouse Fauchi.

We could go on and on and on about this all day. I see a lot of positives that were done. One is (I hope) the waking up of those of us that actually believe in the documents left here to get this engine running. And to focus on the lefts endless attempts to dissimilate those documents in seeking a Euro style gov.

Smoke-em if you got-em.

 

[T.Lex]

Man sometimes you just do not make any sense. How is the Texas thing Trumps fault. As is every other thing people seem to blame on that guy. I am curious. Please enlighten me as I can not see a connection.

[/QUOTE]

My friend, you are seeing what you want to see. I didn't say the Texas thing is Trump's fault at all. Nor is it Biden's. But, it is the primary driver of higher gas prices. There's a scarcity of refined fuel at this point.

Know I am no real Trumper but I did see what he did to wake this place up and he (IMHO) did not leave it worse than he found it. All the bad crap as in riots etc can and were traced back too those pulling Bidiots strings. The pandemic is Nancy and Schumers baby girl along with that little mouse Fauchi.

We could go on and on and on about this all day. I see a lot of positives that were done. One is (I hope) the waking up of those of us that actually believe in the documents left here to get this engine running. And to focus on the lefts endless attempts to dissimilate those documents in seeking a Euro style gov.

Smoke-em if you got-em.

So that captures a different possibility: maybe the majority of Americans want a Euro style government.

We've been trending that direction for more than a hundred years... roughly half of our nation's life. The way our system is set up, generally speaking, if a majority of Americans want that kind of government, that's the kind of government we'll have.

If I have any luck left at all, if it comes, it'll be after I'm long gone.

 

[Magyars]

Guess shutting down the masses of illegal immigrants made the Country worse off....? If you hire illegals to work under the table, maybe that makes sense in some twisted, demented way.

 

[BigRed]

Clearly, the pollsters are not calling me to inquire what I think of the piece of ****.

 

[printcraft]

When you promise the youth $50,000 off their college debt and the lazy people $2,000 for being lazy you will have a +14 approval rating. Wait until they finally figure out they are not getting anything Biden promised you know the typical lying Democrat Socialist party. I think his approval rating will drop like a aircraft carrier anchor.

 

[BugI02]

And yet, when Trump was doing well, certain INGOers trumpeted the results.

So were these types of polls BS then, too?

I get that people may not trust/believe/respond truthfully to pollsters. But statistics are real thing and so is polling. Ignoring the ones we don't like presents the risk of living in one's own echo chamber.

Allow me to mention how shocked! Shocked I am! at who is trumpeting these preliminary results (where are we, day 35 of the Biden 'presidency*')

The people who give credence to main stream anything are the ones risking living in an echo chamber. Anyone who is contrarian is bombarded with the official propaganda/narrative - even by 'certain INGOers' - so I judge the risk of an 'echo chamber' arising around them to be vanishingly small

Some numbers from the Economist/YouGov poll, that shows 55% Biden Approval 40% Disapprove

The Economist/YouGov Poll
February 13 - 16, 2021 - 1500 U.S. Adult Citizens
Strongly approve Somewhat approve Somewhat disapprove Strongly disapprove Not sure
Registered 2020 Vote
Party ID
Dem Rep Ind
101% 99% 100%
(517) (374) (446)
Ideology
Lib Mod Con
100% 100% 100%
(443) (438) (457)
Totals 101% Unweighted N (1,500)
100% 100% 100%
(1,259) (587) (516)

Note that the sample is 38.7% Democrat 28.0% Republican and 33.4% Independent. Also note that to give the indicated results
The 'Independents' would need to skew almost 2:1 (7:4 actually) in favor of approval

Note that a Gallup poll released on december 17, 2020 found the US electorate breakdown by party to be 31% Democrat, 25% Republican and 41% Independent

That sample over-represents Democrats by a bit under 11.5% and under-represents Independents by just under 9% (after normalizing for the Republican percentage), and with the lopsided skew among the independents it should be easy to see how the selection of respondents can be (and likely was) manipulated to achieve a desired result. Then this and similar results are aggregated to create the RCP average. The aggregate of hagiography is still hagiography, just a bit less variable

Edit: Even though trump was -6.3 at the same point in his presidency, no extraordinary precautions were necessary for him to move among the people or carry out his agenda

Nothing says you are a 'highly popular' president like troops and razorwire. Glenn Greenwald and John Solomon should probably keep a Geiger Counter at table

 

[printcraft]

Weird how every poll of bidet doing well and Trump doing poorly is heavily democrat oversampled.

Weird.

Strange.

Unexpected.

Coincidental.

 

[BugI02]

Weird how every poll of bidet doing well and Trump doing poorly is heavily democrat oversampled.

Weird.

Strange.

Unexpected.

Coincidental.

Rule 39

 

[Kutnupe14]

In every area of POTUS influence (which generally omits The Economy), Trump left the office and the country in worse shape than he received it.

I don't blame Trump for things beyond his control - like the pandemic. But to be consistent, one ought not blame Biden for Texas shutting down oil production and refining during a "snowstorm."

It is still early. Biden hasn't had much chance to "do" much of anything to further his policy statements. So, his numbers very much reflect a honeymoon period. But even in that regard, he's off to a better start than Trump.

The nation needs his numbers to fall between now and the midterms. (Although, depending on who you believe, the polls don't indicate anything of value for even that purpose.)

Oh lawd… someone said it.

 

[T.Lex]

Oh lawd… someone said it.

I didn't realize it was a secret.

 

[printcraft]

In every area of POTUS influence (which generally omits The Economy), Trump left the office and the country in worse shape than he received it.

 

[printcraft]

Oh lawd… someone said it.

Qui Gon Jinn had a comment to JarJar concerning that...

 

[BugI02]

So that captures a different possibility: maybe the majority of Americans want a Euro style government.

We've been trending that direction for more than a hundred years... roughly half of our nation's life. The way our system is set up, generally speaking, if a majority of Americans want that kind of government [and it is compatible with The Constitution and The Bill of Rights], that's the kind of government we'll have.

Slight, but important, correction

 

[printcraft]

Slight, but important, correction

But bidet has a pen and phone...

 

[T.Lex]

The constitution itself has mechanisms that allow it to evolve.

 

[BugI02]

The constitution itself has mechanisms that allow it to evolve.

The way our system is set up, generally speaking, if a majority of Americans want that kind of government, that's the kind of government we'll have.

One post mentions The Constitution, the previous one just mentions a 'majority of Americans', which would be direct democracy and which we do not have. Perhaps you see the disconnect in your 'evolving' viewpoint

 

[phylodog]

And yet, when Trump was doing well, certain INGOers trumpeted the results.

So were these types of polls BS then, too?

I get that people may not trust/believe/respond truthfully to pollsters. But statistics are real thing and so is polling. Ignoring the ones we don't like presents the risk of living in one's own echo chamber.

Yes they were. I’m not ignoring polls I don’t like, I ignore them all. They’re meaningless and subject to more corruption than our elections.

You are correct that statistics are a real thing and could be used for beneficial reasons. I have learned that politics/media aren’t one of those beneficial reasons. Political statistics are doctored to send whatever message the creator of the poll wants. According to every single poll on all of the major media sites Trump was going to lose to HRC. Had they actually made an attempt to do a realistic poll they would have seen what was coming. They don’t because they don’t care, they aren’t there to report truth they are there to manipulate people.

 

[BugI02]

"When everything seems to be going well, you obviously don't know what's going on" - Edward Murphy

 

[churchmouse]

The constitution itself has mechanisms that allow it to evolve.

Yes through proper channels. Not the way the left is chipping and hacking away at it. What are you not seeing in this.
ACA was proven to be un-Constitutional yet the lefty courts let that piece of crap slide through.
I will just fall back on the shall not be infringed thing for a start.

 

[T.Lex]

Yes they were. I’m not ignoring polls I don’t like, I ignore them all. They’re meaningless and subject to more corruption than our elections.

You are correct that statistics are a real thing and could be used for beneficial reasons. I have learned that politics/media aren’t one of those beneficial reasons. Political statistics are doctored to send whatever message the creator of the poll wants. According to every single poll on all of the major media sites Trump was going to lose to HRC. Had they actually made an attempt to do a realistic poll they would have seen what was coming. They don’t because they don’t care, they aren’t there to report truth they are there to manipulate people.

Well, I'm not going to defend the MSM to you (or anyone else). My only counterpoint is that news distribution is more and more decentralized. (Again, worthy debate to be had over whether that's good or bad.)

But, the pollsters themselves are in the game to be right. Post-2016, significant efforts were made in at least some places to correct the perceived errors. The 2020 ones were more accurate.

The MSM is in the game for profit. They don't care what is accurate if it can bring eyeballs and clicks.

In terms of manipulation, though, I don't see the connection in the modern era. Unless you think Trump got 74M votes because of manipulation.

Regardless, it will be interesting to track the job approval in a similar methodology that we tracked Trump's here on INGO.