Should the Second Amendment apply to Biden voters? Should gun businesses refuse to serve people who voted Biden

[Jaybird1980]

Arms don’t make a revolution. Ideas do. Tyrants fear ideas far more than arms.

Speech doesn't end the revolution.
I never said speech wasn't powerful, I said the right to bear arms ensures your ability to retain your other rights. You can't do that with speech alone.

 

[billybob44]

Arms don’t make a revolution. Ideas do. Tyrants fear ideas far more than arms.

Tyrants fear ideas AND ARMS more than ANYTHING...Bill.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Tyrants fear ideas AND ARMS more than ANYTHING...Bill.

Correct, Speech with no way to resist the oppression does not scare tyrants. History has proven this.

 

[JettaKnight]

 

[KG1]

The store is his property, the merchandise is his property. He has the freedom to admit and do business with whoever he wants. Don't tell me that some of you are even against property rights and the freedom to contract.

Lemme clarify my earlier post in the thread. Even though I'm not in favor of the practice of barring political rivals from purchasing merchandise I do support the business owners right to do so..

 

[JettaKnight]

Lemme clarify my earlier post in the thread. Even though I'm not in favor of the practice of barring political rivals from purchasing merchandise I do support the business owners right to do so..

This seems to be the most popular opinion; and I agree with it.

 

[Old Dog]

Lemme clarify my earlier post in the thread. Even though I'm not in favor of the practice of barring political rivals from purchasing merchandise I do support the business owners right to do so..

New term here today, I wont take full credit for it... Counter Cancel Culture, CCC for short. Definition= do to them what they have done to us, if you wish and it makes sense to you.

 

[JettaKnight]

New term here today, I wont take full credit for it... Counter Cancel Culture, CCC for short. Definition= do to them what they have done to us, if you wish and it makes sense to you.

Mutually assured destruction?

More and more, social media and other divisiveness is magically converting control rods into fuel rods; the temperature is heating up in this reactor.

 

[red_zr24x4]

The larger question here is cultural. Is the response to Cancel Culture to respond in kind, to take the high road and turn the other cheek, or something else?

Should we choose our response based on "what's good for the goose", the effectiveness of that response, or moral values?

Look what turning the other cheek and "something else" have gotten gun owners over the years.. " Just compromise on this gun bill, oh, and this one too... here's another one..."

 

[phylodog]

Mutually assured destruction?

More and more, social media and other divisiveness is magically converting control rods into fuel rods; the temperature is heating up in this reactor.

Why do you suppose that is?

 

[KG1]

Look what turning the other cheek and "something else" have gotten gun owners over the years.. " Just compromise on this gun bill, oh, and this one too... here's another one..."

I think there is a distinction between what he's talking about and what you're talking about.

 

[red_zr24x4]

I think there is a distinction between what he's talking about and what you're talking about.

Compromise is Compromise no matter what.
I'm tired of compromising and getting **** on

 

[KLB]

Lemme clarify my earlier post in the thread. Even though I'm not in favor of the practice of barring political rivals from purchasing merchandise I do support the business owners right to do so..

I agree with you without them interrogating customers to find out where they stand. Some business tries to ask me who I voted for, they can kiss my behind. It is none of anyone's business unless I choose to make it so.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Correct, Speech with no way to resist the oppression does not scare tyrants. History has proven this.

Now tell me about the Civil Rights Movement. Or if you need actual national revolutions, of historical note The Velvet Revolution, the Iranian Revolution, Revolutions of 1989, The Glorious Revolution.
OR, if by chance you happen to be a Christian, and believe scripture, the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is pretty much the pinnacle of the point I'm making. Are you an atheist, or just hadn't thought of the last example?

 

[JettaKnight]

Now tell me about the Civil Rights Movement. Or if you need actual national revolutions, of historical note The Velvet Revolution, the Iranian Revolution, Revolutions of 1989, The Glorious Revolution.
OR, if by chance you happen to be a Christian, and believe scripture, the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is pretty much the pinnacle of the point I'm making. Are you an atheist, or just hadn't thought of the last example?

Even an atheist has to accept the historical nature the initial spread of Christianity.

In fact, as an atheist, you can't go back and draw in supernatural influence; therefore it was solely the ideas of the unarmed.


Another point to this is that time and time again, it is the voice's of Americans that have protected our gun rights. I really can't name one historical event where guns prevented the govt. from silencing an American.

It's a neat concept and catch phrase, that pragmatically it doesn't bear out.

 

[jbombelli]

Even an atheist has to accept the historical nature the initial spread of Christianity.

In fact, as an atheist, you can't go back and draw in supernatural influence; therefore it was solely the ideas of the unarmed.


Another point to this is that time and time again, it is the voice's of Americans that have protected our gun rights. I really can't name one historical event where guns prevented the govt. from silencing an American.

It's a neat concept and catch phrase, that pragmatically it doesn't bear out.

Depending on how you define the word "silencing", the Labor Wars come to mind, as well as the Battle of Athens.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Tell it to the Jews, irish, Koreans, Russians, Venezuelans, Africans etc etc. but you know this so already so I'm done entertaining you.

 

[Jaybird1980]

Now tell me about the Civil Rights Movement. Or if you need actual national revolutions, of historical note The Velvet Revolution, the Iranian Revolution, Revolutions of 1989, The Glorious Revolution.
OR, if by chance you happen to be a Christian, and believe scripture, the spreading of the Gospel of Jesus Christ is pretty much the pinnacle of the point I'm making. Are you an atheist, or just hadn't thought of the last example?

I was supposed to quote this in post 57

 

[AtTheMurph]

Free association means I can chose who I do and who I do not wish to conduct business with.

If I don't want to conduct business with a Leftist, that is my right. If I don't want to conduct business with anyone, that is my right.

And I don't care what the SCOTUS for some BS law says.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Tell it to the Jews, irish, Koreans, Russians, Venezuelans, Africans etc etc. but you know this so already so I'm done entertaining you.

We were talking about the affect of speech concerning tyrants, and how the idea is more important than the actual arms, but unbeknownst to you, you offered a Segway to victims.
Your previously stated contention, is that arms supersede “ideas,” and then you give possibly the worst example ever, and cite Jews. Germans didnt just pick up one day, and start killing Jews. They were indoctrinated... with “ideas.” The campaign of hate against them was pursued fervently; most notably through the most popular book in Nazi Germany “Mein Kampf.” Further, most Jews were even killed by arms, in the traditional sense, but from gas.
And yes, I hope your done entertaining me... but it’s been a hoot though.