The Insane "Social Justice" Thread pt IV

[Kutnupe14]

If you've seen it too, why did you say you didn't believe Indybeerman was called it? And if it can apply to anybody, it's no longer race specific so anybody should be able to use it, correct?

And what do you mean probably the same for you?



Honestly, call me dang near anything I won't have a problem with it. Although the reverse isn't always the same. I went camping with a guy from work and his family years ago. They were Hispanic, we got down there late and I found out it wasn't just "his family", his brother and his family and a couple of other of his relatives and their families. Since we got down there late while they were setting up I cooked dinner for my coworker and his family and his brother came by and had a burger because their was extra, then set up myself since I had a lot less to set up.

We were sitting around the campfire later and his brother had ran out of cold beer and had been drinking mine for the last hour, no big deal I brought plenty. He looks over at me and says "You know you're pretty cool for a cracker", I blinked and while not offended I was just a bit annoyed. So I replied back, "and you're pretty cool for a spic" with a pleasant smile on my face. To put it mildly he was not pleased. Several of his family got between us and kept him back and a couple of others came up to me and started asking me if I knew how offensive that was and on and on. I said yes I knew, but I was a bit annoyed that the guy that just at my food and had been drinking my beer for the last hour called me a cracker. They didn't quite get it at first.

And another question, why did you spell out redneck, but censor all the other ones? And what is c-by? Chubby?



I've seen blacks using the N word towards blacks and whites, Kut above states that he has as well. So I'd say in the present day your client would be correct.

Indybeerman’s story makes no sense. People in the hood, call EVERYBODY the “A” version. I think he heard wrong. I’ve NEVER seen it used in such a fashion, and unless he’d like to disagree, I bet I’ve heard WAY more usage of that word, across multiple places, than he has.

As far as the word “cracker,” I understand you being annoyed. The guy shouldn’t have said it. You are justified in being upset. But get this. That slur was created by white people. It wasn’t assigned from someone outside the group, it came from within, back when white people held just as many prejudices against their own (ie poor whites, Italians, Irish, Catholics) as the did with other minorities.

I spelled out “redneck,” because the filter allows it. You will find numerous instances of that word? As well as other slurs for white people used on this site, often used with pride. The other words i used would not pass the filter. Oh, was trying to reference “see you next tuesday,” as a slur women kinda jump in your ass about, if you’re a man and say it.

 

[phylodog]

All bad words are social misdemeanors, except for one and it is a felony which has in recent years gained steam to justify a life sentence for some.

Say it and you are done. Bye bye job, bye bye everything and God forbid you for some reason are well known enough to make the news...automatic life sentence.

For the record I don't use the word, don't care to be around people that do. I am merely pointing out that all slurs are not the same.

 

[Kutnupe14]

Anybody had Glenlevit Scotch Whiskey? Oh yeah, that’s the GOOD stuff.

 

[jamil]

She used the hard “R.” That ain’t how it’s done in the “culture” you’re speaking off. That phonetic difference is often the difference between someone rolling their eyes or them taking issue.

Okay. So what consequences should be imposed on her for her great sin? 10 years of exile enough? 20? What about college? Keep her out altogether? Or maybe we can at least let her go to community college. But only if she majors in D-Studies.

So what is the right consequence?

 

[Kutnupe14]

Okay. So what consequences should be imposed on her for her great sin? 10 years of exile enough? 20? What about college? Keep her out altogether? Or maybe we can at least let her go to community college. But only if she majors in D-Studies.

So what is the right consequence?

Is that my job to determine the penalty? It seems the social contract is what determine how to address such issues.

 

[jamil]

How is one group using a word ok and other groups using the same word no ok?

How yeah, cause equality hypocrisy. How surprising.

No. Because “equity”. That’s the word that really means some people get to be more equal than others.

 

[BigRed]

All bad words are social misdemeanors, except for one and it is a felony which has in recent years gained steam to justify a life sentence for some.

Say it and you are done. Bye bye job, bye bye everything and God forbid you for some reason are well known enough to make the news...automatic life sentence.

For the record I don't use the word, don't care to be around people that do. I am merely pointing out that all slurs are not the same.

It all depends on who is using it. It seems perfectly acceptable in so called "songs" about gang banging ******s and murdering folks.

 

[jamil]

Is that my job to determine the penalty? It seems the social contract is what determine how to address such issues.

Well. No. That’s not what a social contract is. And I think your answer is a copout.

I’ll ask the question in a different way. So in the way you’re applying social contract, it sounds like you’re saying it’s a collective agreement for what consequences society doles out for behavior it thinks is wrong. The collective is made of individuals, with zher individual voice summed into the collective. Okay. So what does your voice add to the collective?

How egregious is that sin, and what social consequence would your voice add to the collective?

 

[Kutnupe14]

No. Because “equity”. That’s the word that really means some people get to be more equal than others.

Yep. There’s a 200 year plus history of that notion, no?

 

[BugI02]

What should those consequences be? You sound more like you condone the consequences she got. What should be the punishment for a white person saying the word in the same context, intending the same useage that a black person would?

Or, would it be better for people to just start being honest about that word? It obviously has a new meaning, a new usage. So now, I think either no one should use it if we're going to insist it always has to have the traditional offensive meaning, or it's meaning is now changed such that anyone can use it for that new meaning. I'd kinda rather the former. But in the context of the latter, at this point, the cultural permission for its use now is kinda racist. I think the people who perpetuate that disparity should stop being racists, if people insist on continuing its use.

There are people in the world who don't have a problem with racism, per se, so much as they wan't to be on the dishing it out end of the transaction

 

[Twangbanger]

Okay. So what consequences should be imposed on her for her great sin? 10 years of exile enough? 20? What about college? Keep her out altogether? Or maybe we can at least let her go to community college. But only if she majors in D-Studies.

So what is the right consequence?

A) Say nothing, engage in the Weinstein treatment, wait 4 years...then use it to keep her out of college, and put it on your resume.

B) Confront her and talk about it like a man, earn her respect, change her heart.......sorry (snicker)...I couldn't even keep a straight face on that one...sorry...

 

[Kutnupe14]

Well. No. That’s not what a social contract is. And I think your answer is a copout.

So in the way you’re applying social contract, it sounds like you’re saying it’s a collective agreement for what consequences society doles out for behavior it thinks is wrong. The collective is made of individuals, with zher individual voice summed into the collective. Okay. So what does your voice add to the collective?

How egregious is that sin, and what social consequence would your voice add to the collective?

Yeah it kinda isnt “kaput.” The social contract is understood by all, even if one disagrees. Those who run afoul of it, understand that they may incur the wrath of the masses. On a smaller scale, that explains perfectly how my membership here is viewed... unless you think I’m extended the same privileges as the rest of membership, in which case, Id question the “fair broker” image youve worked hard to craft.

 

[Twangbanger]

There are people in the world who don't have a problem with racism, per se, so much as they wan't to be on the dishing it out end of the transaction

There are also those who will "pointedly point out" that the Bible doesn't specifically prohibit slavery, per se...and who want to be on the "dishing-out" end of the transaction when their "Protestant Work Ethic" tells them Americans are too lazy to work (for "slave wages")...and advocate limitless immigration to drive wages back down to where "God intended them to be."

(Cf. "I tried to hire some neighborhood guys to paint our church at minimum wage, and can you believe it...I couldn't even get any of the lazy sons-a-britches to apply...what is this country coming to...we need more immigrants...")

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Indybeerman’s story makes no sense. People in the hood, call EVERYBODY the “A” version. I think he heard wrong. I’ve NEVER seen it used in such a fashion, and unless he’d like to disagree, I bet I’ve heard WAY more usage of that word, across multiple places, than he has.

As far as the word “cracker,” I understand you being annoyed. The guy shouldn’t have said it. You are justified in being upset. But get this. That slur was created by white people. It wasn’t assigned from someone outside the group, it came from within, back when white people held just as many prejudices against their own (ie poor whites, Italians, Irish, Catholics) as the did with other minorities.

I spelled out “redneck,” because the filter allows it. You will find numerous instances of that word? As well as other slurs for white people used on this site, often used with pride. The other words i used would not pass the filter. Oh, was trying to reference “see you next tuesday,” as a slur women kinda jump in your ass about, if you’re a man and say it.

The blacks I saw in person using it with the r at the end were hood. You may never have seen it, and I'm not calling you a liar, but it's not that rare. The a version, I agree with you. Everybody was called that.

He meant it as a joke, and my reply while admitting I was annoyed was said back in a joking manner. He did come up to me later and apologized. I reciprocated.

The filter blocks chink? or fag? I didn't know that. I know it blocks the main one we've been discussing, which is why I haven't been typing it. Generally speaking when discussing words, I use the words. Which is why I spelled out the word I used to describe the guy. It's not something I use, at least not in the last 20+ years and before that almost never. But if I'm discussing a word, I'm using the word.

And yeah that's what I figured you were going for, but never seen it written as c-by. And I know a lot of women that unless it was a close friend, and maybe even then fists would be getting thrown and hair pulled.

 

[phylodog]

There it is

 

[Kutnupe14]

The blacks I saw in person using it with the r at the end were hood. You may never have seen it, and I'm not calling you a liar, but it's not that rare. The a version, I agree with you. Everybody was called that.

He meant it as a joke, and my reply while admitting I was annoyed was said back in a joking manner. He did come up to me later and apologized. I reciprocated.

The filter blocks chink? or fag? I didn't know that. I know it blocks the main one we've been discussing, which is why I haven't been typing it. Generally speaking when discussing words, I use the words. Which is why I spelled out the word I used to describe the guy. It's not something I use, at least not in the last 20+ years and before that almost never. But if I'm discussing a word, I'm using the word.

And yeah that's what I figured you were going for, but never seen it written as c-by. And I know a lot of women that unless it was a close friend, and maybe even then fists would be getting thrown and hair pulled.

Then what are we arguing about? We seem to be in agreement.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Yeah it kinda isnt “kaput.” The social contract is understood by all, even if one disagrees. Those who run afoul of it, understand that they may incur the wrath of the masses. On a smaller scale, that explains perfectly how my membership here is viewed... unless you think I’m extended the same privileges as the rest of membership, in which case, Id question the “fair broker” image youve worked hard to craft.

I wouldn't say the masses, a small fraction of it. Just a very loud shrill vengeful one.

All bad words are social misdemeanors, except for one and it is a felony which has in recent years gained steam to justify a life sentence for some.

For the record I don't use the word, don't care to be around people that do. I am merely pointing out that all slurs are not the same.

It's starting to trend to there being several others, look at the story that started this. The guy didn't use any "bad words".

And I don't use it either, unless specifically discussing it. And I generally feel the same way as you.

Anybody had Glenlevit Scotch Whiskey? Oh yeah, that’s the GOOD stuff.

We can agree on something. Although I did have the opportunity to try Chivas royal salute 29 yr old once. I almost spit it back in the glass when I found out what it cost. That was gooooood.

 

[Timjoebillybob]

Then what are we arguing about? We seem to be in agreement.

You said you didn't believe IBM was called the n word with an r. I've seen blacks use it against blacks/whites/hispanics. They were using it while pissed off at that person. The word with an a was used as a commonplace word.

 

[Doug]

In my experience, those who use racial epithets also tend to use the acronym for fornication under consent of the king about every other word. I don't care for either and tend to avoid those people.

 

[Kutnupe14]

In my experience, those who use racial epithets also tend to use the acronym for fornication under consent of the king about every other word. I don't care for either and tend to avoid those people.

Well take me off your Christmas Card list. I’m quite fond of the monarch’s order.