Four Minneapolis officers fired after death of black man

[Denny347]

This IS criminal confinement. I don't think the driver called 911 at the time. However, these people should not have been allowed to wander in the streets in the first place but we are under orders to let them block the streets as they see fit for "peaceful" protesting. Had we put our feet down early OR been in the area watching them, this would not have happened or an arrest could have been made immediately.

 

[jbombelli]

Criminal confinement, at gunpoint no less.

Hmmm.

 

[jamil]

So...what good are the police?

Ya. Yer right. Defund them.

 

[chipbennett]

This IS criminal confinement. I don't think the driver called 911 at the time. However, these people should not have been allowed to wander in the streets in the first place but we are under orders to let them block the streets as they see fit for "peaceful" protesting. Had we put our feet down early OR been in the area watching them, this would not have happened or an arrest could have been made immediately.

I appreciate the scare quotes around "peaceful". I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say that walking down the middle of the street and impeding lawful movement of traffic are unlawful acts, and therefore by definition are not "peaceful."

I would love to know where those orders are coming from? The police chief? The Mayor? (Are you even at liberty to say?) Not only do such orders make your job more difficult; they also increase the likelihood of otherwise-unnecessary loss of life.

 

[MindfulMan]

I think 00 Buck in the face trumps lasers in the eyes.

I like the way that you think, DD !

 

[Route 45]

Ya. Yer right. Defund them.

Well, if they are not going to enforce the law...

 

[actaeon277]

So, if they can "peacefully protest" by blocking traffic with guns at low ready, then it's okay for another group to protest from the side with guns at the low ready, pointed towards the first group of protesters?

I bet the Mayor would want something done then.

 

[Denny347]

I appreciate the scare quotes around "peaceful". I know I'm preaching to the choir when I say that walking down the middle of the street and impeding lawful movement of traffic are unlawful acts, and therefore by definition are not "peaceful."

I would love to know where those orders are coming from? The police chief? The Mayor? (Are you even at liberty to say?) Not only do such orders make your job more difficult; they also increase the likelihood of otherwise-unnecessary loss of life.

My administration but I'm sure it goes above that.

 

[nonobaddog]

Wouldn’t such an order to not enforce a law be illegal itself?

And if so wouldn’t it also be illegal to follow an illegal order?

 

[actaeon277]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...4455-rioters-point-weapons-motorist-indy.html
new thread for the discussion

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

What would IMPD have done if that dude in the truck said "f' this, I ain't going out like that", and punched the gas? Keeping in mind people around the country have been shot in their vehicles by "protesters"?


Asking for a friend.

Nothing, because officers weren't allowed to be in the area to monitor the "protest."

 

[ghitch75]

strip boy should have had him and his Jennings ran over....then call 911

 

[Jaybird1980]

https://omny.fm/shows/tony-katz-and-the-morning-news/playlists/podcast/embed?style=artwork

Thanks

 

[jamil]

Well, if they are not going to enforce the law...

A couple of things.

1) they do enforce the law, but are being prevented to enforce certain laws during active protests for political reasons. The laws they do enforce are an important function as cities who have defunded police are finding out the hard way. That's the gist of Frank's warning.

2) It's not the fault of rank and file officers or even higher up when they're being prevented from enforcing laws during protests.

Possibly your frustration doesn't have to be at the officers who are also frustrated that they're not allowed to do their jobs. Maybe it's better directed at the city leaders who are responsible for this policy.

 

[Jaybird1980]

My question to LEO is what would happen if you guys decided to go out and enforce the law, even after being told to stand down?
Not suggesting you guys should put your job on the line, but I'm genuinely curious.

 

[Route 45]

A couple of things.

1) they do enforce the law, but are being prevented to enforce certain laws during active protests for political reasons. The laws they do enforce are an important function as cities who have defunded police are finding out the hard way. That's the gist of Frank's warning.

2) It's not the fault of rank and file officers or even higher up when they're being prevented from enforcing laws during protests.

Possibly your frustration doesn't have to be at the officers who are also frustrated that they're not allowed to do their jobs. Maybe it's better directed at the city leaders who are responsible for this policy.

Yeah...impeding traffic and threatening motorists with firearms is not "protests."

I bet they'd be Johnny-on-the-spot if someone dumped a few gallons of paint on the new BLM mural, though.

Just following orders, of course...

 

[jamil]

My question to LEO is what would happen if you guys decided to go out and enforce the law, even after being told to stand down?
Not suggesting you guys should put your job on the line, but I'm genuinely curious.

What usually happens when you disobey direct orders from your boss?

But let's just follow this scenario out. Okay, so you disobey orders and go to where the protests are. You see some schmucks trying to prevent the forward movement of a pickup truck, with guns drawn. You go in and arrest he two idiots. We'll even avoid the obvious part of the scenario where the angry mob does all they can to prevent you from arresting the two schmucks. Okay so you take them in to book them. I'm guessing the booking part might go as planned. And then somewhere in the process, possibly before they're even booked, your boss finds out, but let's say after booking to make things simple. What happens to the two schmucks? Probably released the same night while your ass is in deep ****. But maybe the union can help keep your job. Or not. I don't know. But betcha the two schmucks are released soon after booking without charges. Now, add in the part where the angry mob DIDN'T let you do your job. So after all that, how worth the hassles was arresting the two schmucks?

And when I say schmucks, I mean *******s. And the one looked kinda like he's also a **********. But I'm trying to cut down my use of asterisks. So schmucks.

 

[Phase2]

Utah BLM Protesters Could Face ‘LIFE IN PRISON’ For Attacking District Attorney’s Office

Throwing the book at organized criminals. What a concept. I'm willing to bet that riots do not rise to even 10% of the level that Seattle/Portland/Minneapolis/etc are seeing.

 

[jamil]

Yeah...impeding traffic and threatening motorists with firearms is not "protests."

I bet they'd be Johnny-on-the-spot if someone dumped a few gallons of paint on the new BLM mural, though.

Just following orders, of course...

No. That's not "protests". That's a crime. As far as following orders goes, let's say you're the cop. You've been ordered to stay away from the areas where the protests are happening. But you disobey and go anyway. Never mind that your supervisor would probably want to know where you are, and might take steps to get you out of the area if he/she finds out you headed out there. How does that all play out? Go ahead. Play that thing out. What are you going to do? You gonna go rogue? What has your disobedience accomplished? It's not "just following orders". It's also having your workable options limited by circumstances outside of your control.

 

[churchmouse]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...4455-rioters-point-weapons-motorist-indy.html
new thread for the discussion

OK peoples go to the linked thread to discuss this issue.

Back on track.