IMPD officers arrested.

[Route 45]

Theft? No. I wouldn’t hold anyone else to that given what we know.

Misconduct on the IDACS? Doing do diligence on finding out if it was stolen. Went about it the wrong way. Probably/maybe, place a reprimand in his file at the most.

Firing? **** no. He’s a scalp being thrown out. **** whoever recommended that.

Due diligence refers to actions taken in his official capacity as a law enforcement officer. Was he acting in an official capacity when checking the firearm through IDACS/NCIC?

If the answer is no, he abused his authority in using the government database for his personal purposes. Where's the gun?

If the answer is yes...where's the gun? Why did he have an arrangement with a private company to deal with unclaimed firearms?

Lots of unknown information, but these are legitimate concerns.

 

[Route 45]

It doesn't matter if there is a difference between the two cases. Either a person is innocent until proven guilty or they aren't, whether they are accused of stealing a candy bar or murder.

If the alleged wife beater is found guilty or pleads guilty then he deserves everything that comes with that. Until then he is entitled to presumption of innocence just like anyone else should be.

IMHO there isn't much grey area here.

That's a legal standard, not an INGO standard.

Nothing wrong with looking at the available information and forming an opinion one way or the other. Otherwise, what's the point of a discussion forum?

 

[Sigblitz]

I didn't see the PCA. It sounds like the question being raised here is did the place having posession of the car own the car, and would they own the firearm. Was it theirs to give. And did the officer have the same knowledge of ownership.

Thinking about this, I have a bike in the garage that was bought at the police auction last year. The paperwork said it was impounded from a drunk driver. It didn't come with a title and an officer came to the house to run the vehicle for title work. So the auction doesn't take titled possession of it. I assume at some point it becomes theirs through a lien and it's sold for storage and impound fees if not picked up. I'm assuming the auction owned the car. I don't know about found firearms discovered before the sale.

 

[churchmouse]

LOL, the ever present INGO inner clique is alive & well.

Officer #1, no known connection to INGO, is charged, but not convicted at this time: INGO says "F that guy with his own nightstick".

Officer #2, known connection to INGO, is charged, but not convicted at this time: INGO says "Yeah, he didn't do that" or "PFFFT.... not even a crime! SO unfair! Axes are being ground! He's being railroaded to appease the masses"!!!

I knew when I heard about this I knew I'd see bias here.... I didn't expect it to be quite this rampant & obvious.

Oh goodness me. Are you serious.
Come on man really...???
Yes I know the man and yes many are having a hard time believing he was this stupid based on what we know of the man and the small amount of facts available.

The other guy is in a meat grinder of his own doing so I will ask you to ease up on the old boy thing cause we aint going there in here today. That has been discussed in and out of this thread. If you truly feel that way stay of f the board. Ingo is not like that anymore.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

It doesn't matter if there is a difference between the two cases. Either a person is innocent until proven guilty or they aren't, whether they are accused of stealing a candy bar or murder.

If the alleged wife beater is found guilty or pleads guilty then he deserves everything that comes with that. Until then he is entitled to presumption of innocence just like anyone else should be.

IMHO there isn't much grey area here.

Yeah. I’m as guilty as the next guy about allowing the news to color my impressions of a story. But if we’ve been admonished once (here on this very site), we’ve been so a hundred times: take what you read in a news story with a grain of salt. We’ve seen it bear out many times, that what gets reported when the news breaks is often quite different than what the facts prove to be.

 

[Sigblitz]

An internet search was saying an impound doesn't have to give anything inside the car back to you without paying the fees, unless you're low income.

 

[tbhausen]

It doesn't matter if there is a difference between the two cases. Either a person is innocent until proven guilty or they aren't, whether they are accused of stealing a candy bar or murder.

If the alleged wife beater is found guilty or pleads guilty then he deserves everything that comes with that. Until then he is entitled to presumption of innocence just like anyone else should be.

IMHO there isn't much grey area here.

I’m referring to peoples’ emotional reactions to the cases, not the legal differences between them.

 

[PaulF]

It doesn't matter if there is a difference between the two cases. Either a person is innocent until proven guilty or they aren't, whether they are accused of stealing a candy bar or murder.

If the alleged wife beater is found guilty or pleads guilty then he deserves everything that comes with that. Until then he is entitled to presumption of innocence just like anyone else should be.

IMHO there isn't much grey area here.

Presumption of innocence is a legal contrivance...we are owed this from the courts of state, not the court of public opinion.

I'll gladly own my bias. Nick is a friend of mine. I'm worried about him. I want things to work out for the best in that situation, and I really don't think the case rises to the level of firing or criminal charges...at least not from what I can see filtered through my biases. My experiences inform a level of incredulity with the charges...one does not square in my experience with the other.

The alleged wife beater? I don't know him from Adam. I have no experience with that person to inform me of his character. The charges seem to be supported by some pretty horrific evidence. I have no reason to think he didn't beat his wife brutally and without remorse.

Bias or not, the situations do not warrant direct comparison.

 

[KG1]

My two main issues are. Was there an apparent motive other than conducting official duties? Did he have a legal right to keep the firearm(s) after taking possession of it/them?

 

[MarkC]

Yeah. I’m as guilty as the next guy about allowing the news to color my impressions of a story. But if we’ve been admonished once (here on this very site), we’ve been so a hundred times: take what you read in a news story with a grain of salt. We’ve seen it bear out many times, that what gets reported when the news breaks is often quite different than what the facts prove to be.

Wise words.

When I was in law enforcement often the account I read in the newspaper (yup, I'm old) did not even resemble what actually happened. And I don't think the media has gotten any better with cutbacks, etc.

 

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[Sigblitz]

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[BugI02]

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Joe Biden? Is that you?

 

[Cameramonkey]

I once picked up 2 twenties and a five, blowing through a parking lot. Another time I was out of gas, broke, paycheck in hand, the bank was closed and walking to the gas station I found a five stuck in a bush. I believe that is Conversion according to IC, not absolutely sure.





Just sentence him to a week in jail, put him in gen pop and let them know he was a cop that beat his wife, permanently disfiguring her. Put him on a respirator and let his wife visit him with a baseball bat.



He is required to neither confirm nor deny. THE BIG FIFTH, contrary to what Democrats it is not an admission of guilt if a non Democrat invokes it.

Is it just me or is there a troll in here.

FIFY

There’s quite a big difference between the two cases. One involves very serious personal injury to a spouse (she lost an eye!). Surprised you don’t see the difference.

Even she could see the difference between the two cases. (too soon?)

 

[Dutchisaurus]

Per the article, the first visit was to retrieve a 'clip with bullets'.

The first trip to the auction. Was for a clip, then a gun.

And it said another person had come forward saying he gave him a different gun.

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[tbhausen]

Even she could see the difference between the two cases. (too soon?)

I see what you did there… Yes, too soon

 

[2A_Tom]

It doesn't matter if there is a difference between the two cases. Either a person is innocent until proven guilty or they aren't, whether they are accused of stealing a candy bar or murder.

If the alleged wife beater is found guilty or pleads guilty then he deserves everything that comes with that. Until then he is entitled to presumption of innocence just like anyone else should be.

IMHO there isn't much grey area here.

I have to disagree. The presumption of innocence is a requirement placed on the government.

When someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night, do you presume him innocent?

If someone is beating a woman merciless in your presence, do you stand and watch and presume them innocent?

When someone shoots another to death in the presence of multiple wittnesses, the government is required to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But if one of the wittnesses had shot him, that would have been legal.

If a woman is beaten to the pinot that she has a broken nose and loses an eye and tells th

 

[WebSnyper]

Even she could see the difference between the two cases. (too soon?)

I see what you did there… Yes, too soon

Well I'm presuming you do have 2 eyes and get the full depth of what he did there... which was some damn funny gallows humor.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I have to disagree. The presumption of innocence is a requirement placed on the government.

When someone breaks into your home in the middle of the night, do you presume him innocent?

If someone is beating a woman merciless in your presence, do you stand and watch and presume them innocent?

When someone shoots another to death in the presence of multiple wittnesses, the government is required to give them the benefit of the doubt.

But if one of the wittnesses had shot him, that would have been legal.

If a woman is beaten to the pinot that she has a broken nose and loses an eye and tells th

The big difference is that we didn’t see what happened to the poor lady. We only know what the news source wrote. We have no first hand knowledge.

 

[tbhausen]

Well I'm presuming you do have 2 eyes and get the full depth of what he did there... which was some damn funny gallows humor.

Nope, I’ve only got one good one!