WATCH: 11 Indiana Cops Detain Entire Bar to Conduct Background Checks on Patrons

[Hatin Since 87]

What’s the deal with mentioning blue falcon in a bunch of threads he isn’t even in?

 

[Hatin Since 87]

I'm with VUPDblue on this one.
There's possibly a lot of story left out of this.

This is most likely the case, as with most of these stories that draw this much attention.

 

[2A_Tom]

I'm an automatic 'Suspect' without looking like I have any 'Connection' at all (and I really don't, the governor isn't on speed dial ), so I be as 'Gray' as possible.

I hate to mention it, but, you just contradicted yourself.

 

[MCgrease08]

Welp after 6 years here, I finally have somebody on the Ignore List.

 

[Trigger Time]

Welp after 6 years here, I finally have somebody on the Ignore List.

Yep, he's on mine too.

 

[Trigger Time]

Of coarse comply within reason. Also you dont always have to speak to your lawyer but leaving a message will work wonders. No one is saying fight the police. But you do not have to answer their questions and you do not have to self identify. If they want to take it to the next level and detain you and violate your rughts then you have a court fight later. They will find out who you are, what you are carrying and probably what you had for dinner if they want to. Nothing you can do about that on the street. They have the granted authority and they know it as most should. The few that abuse that sacred authority though need put in their place in court if possible. Im sure lawyers have contacted these patrons
Jeephammers attitude is the exact corrupt cop punk ass ***** attitude and abuse of authority type of cop im talking about. The attitude of coarse. Not jeephammer personally

 

[2A_Tom]

You do not have to show your ID to police except in a traffic situation. You do not need to carry ID with you at all unless you are driving a car.

You do have to identify yourself, by name, current address and date of birth. SCOTUS ruling.

You may need to show ID to purchase alcohol or cigarettes.

My sister looked like she was 15 or 16 and got carded until she was nearly 60.

Even then It is your right to refuse and not be served.

JH if you give up your rights, that is your right. You have absolutely no right to judge others because they refused to be cowed by another civilian just because they wear a uniform. Their authority is limited by, yes, "MY RIGHTS".

The attitude that we give up our rights is Nazi, socialist, communist, KKK, antifa &c. Those attitudes seem closer than all around you.

 

[JeepHammer]

No, not at all.
I pick my battles....

I show ID and I leave.
I 'Resist' and I get 'Detained' and or charged.
Make an Alamo stand if you want...

 

[2A_Tom]

They were already legally detained.

 

[JeepHammer]

You really can't sort out the difference between what happens to anyone else, and what you *Think* you would do.

I see people cheer on the detention 'Detained', IN CUSTODY of children in cages, no beds, no soap, no tooth brushes, no medical so some are dying,
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/im...detention-centers-during-past-2-years-n954781

But *YOUR* choice is to get offended when some barflies get carded at 1:30 am, then go about their business.

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A quick search on YouTube show up more VIDEOS of police beating, strangling & shooting UNARMED people to DEATH.
Search: "Police Kill Unarmed Man", you get to see it in real time...

Now, unless *YOU* are going to proved a significant amount of money (and maybe "My Lawyer") to investigate the bar ID check incident, then it's a waste of time to 'Discuss' it.

And *Your* choice is to get offended when barflies get carded at 1:30 am , and go about their business.
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Then putting the idea someone should compare police to NAZIs or Soviet Communists when asked for ID is REALLY going to help them out...
Let's just make sure the encounter is cranked up to 11 with the first thing out of your mouth.

NO! I will not show you my ID. This is America, not the USSR or Nazi Germany.

I don't know what planet you live on, but instantly insulting the officer's profession isn't EVER a good idea.
It's like calling a member of the military 'Blue Falcon' or baby killer. Just kicks that interaction off in the worst possible direction.

 

[2A_Tom]

As do 89% of your posts here.

You will acquiesce to any illegal interruption in your life because you think the police are all jack booted thugs.

If it is not worth discussing why are you discussing it. OH, I forgot, you stated your beliefs and we must all bow to your will.

 

[JeepHammer]

JH if you give up your rights, that is your right. You have absolutely no right to judge others because they refused to be cowed by another civilian just because they wear a uniform. Their authority is limited by, yes, "MY RIGHTS".

The attitude that we give up our rights is Nazi, socialist, communist, KKK, antifa &c. Those attitudes seem closer than all around you.

Again, you are missing the point,

A momentary inconvenience is better than beat down or gunshot wounds, medical bills, legal bills, criminal record, etc.
And I guarantee that any/all will happen when your open with calling a police officer a NAZI or Communist and refuse to identify with a jacked up pack of police standing around you...
If you think anything different, you aren't living in the real world.

And while you use it as an insult,
You might want to get an education in types of governments, otherwise you can't make a point.

Socialism is a system of government based on finance.

Communism is a system of government based on subjugation of the population.
In reality, Everyone is forced to produce for the government/ruling class.

The KKK/White Supremacists ideal is based on a flawed belief that the Caucasian race are directly descended from a fictional 'Adam & Eve', and therefore somehow 'Superior'. The mythical 'Aryan Master Race' and the idea of 'Manifest Destiny'.
(Even though 'Adam & Eve' were 'Created' in north Africa, and their actual descendents would look like Africans/north Africans)

ANTIFA, as misguided as they are, see abuse of power and attempt to stop it, bring attention to it.
(It's mostly a disorganized mess)

Continuing that 'Education',
'Capitalism' is an economic model that requires profits to concentrate at the top so they can be allotted by a select few at the top.
(Works a lot like communism but without artillery, they rent military forces)

Free Market is an economic model that allows for a 'Middle Class' (work/merit based wealth).

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*YOUR* rights depend on not letting anyone else's *Rights* are infringed.
As in 'We The People' refuse to tolerate it.
*YOU* as the focus of attention, and outnumbered/outgunned, are impotent, helpless.

*You* read the Constitution, but don't understand it because *YOUR* filter is on what it does for *YOU* and no one else.

*YOU* give advise that will get skills cracked, but *YOU* don't do a thing about the actual issues creating the situation that allows for skulls getting cracked...
*YOU* are stirring the pot with the wrong end of the stick!

Don't like police doing random ID/background checks?
Exactly how many times have you worked to get civilian oversight boards attached to police on ballot propositions?
Exactly how many times would you vote to raise taxes to find those oversight boards?
Absloute power corrupts, where are the checks & balances without the person/victim having to foot the bill on a one man push back?
Where are the review boards of civilians doing the checks to balance the police?
Why are the wolves in charge of the den?

You SCREAM for lower taxes, but want the police trained better & watched better, it's schitzophrenic at best.

“Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty; power is ever stealing from the many to the few.

Exactly how many times are you in the MANY on eternal viilance and not giving bad advise on an internet form?

 

[Denny347]

You do not have to show your ID to police except in a traffic situation.

You are kind of correct.

IC 34-28-5-3.5 Refusal to identify self
Sec. 3.5. A person who knowingly or intentionally refuses to provide either the person's:
(1) name, address, and date of birth; or
(2) driver's license, if in the person's possession;
to a law enforcement officer who has stopped the person for an infraction or ordinance violation commits a Class C misdemeanor.


Infractions, which are mostly traffic related, ARE one aspect but the other are ordinance violations and many of which have nothing to do with traffic.

 

[Clay Pigeon]

[video=youtube_share;3bQnxlHZsjY]https://youtu.be/3bQnxlHZsjY[/video]

 

[Hatin Since 87]

 

[2A_Tom]

I will identify myself by giving my name, address and dob. That is the law.

If stopped in my car I will present DL, PoINS, Registration and keep my hands at 10 and 2, unless otherwise directed by the officer.

I will be polite and courteous at all times.

But I will not cave for unlawful acts under color of law.

JH your posts are tldr.

You have a very low opinion of the police.

 

[2A_Tom]

I have a difficult time imagining you as a reasonable person, sir.

Your inference that I was calling the police communists or Nazi is at least misguided. The System in both of those regimes was oppressive to the individual and officers of the State had power to stop anyone at any time and question them and Demand papers.

The system in the United States is quite different (one of the things that makes us an exception). We the people are the government and they (are supposed to) work for us.

You can abdicate authority to the government and live under the boot if you like. The problem is that the Quislings get put against the wall in the end along with the rest of us.

You boast of phenomenal reading comprehension, because you can read between the lines and spin it the way you like.

 

[maxwelhse]

I always laughed when people said this. "My" lawyer, or "A" lawyer? If you have a "go to" lawyer on retainer 24-7, you either need to be more critical in your decision making, or loan me $20K.

I admit that voluntarily selecting a woman who is an attorney to be my life mate may not be the wisest decision, but you better damn well believe she's "MY" lawyer. I'm client numbero uno, or else.

Paying another attorney to be on retainer would have been far more affordable.

 

[AlVine]

“This isn't anything new for me,
Columns of 'Bikers' stopped for hours while police do 'Random Sobriety' or 'Random Vehicle Inspections' have been the 'Normal' for decades.
Same with ABC doing 'Random' raids on 'Biker' bars.”

Where was this, East Germany?

 

[2A_Tom]

We seem to be tending that way. At least, random officers that are not interested in obeying the oath that they took.

There are some that believe it is not a problem. Just call me Barney.

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