Video of CHI Police shooting teen 16 times

[Kutnupe14]

And therein lies my problem with body & dash cameras. Perception is reality and the human eye doesn't see everything a camera does nor does it experience emotion, problems with depth perception, does not detect the direction of sound, doesn't take in to account prior experiences with certain people, etc.. Video quite frequently provides those sitting in judgement with one whole hell of a lot more information than an officer has in the moment and they don't have to make their decisions with the type of stresses believing you might die tend to put on you.

Where do you draw the line on such things? Do you create a standard, or do you rely in each officer's individual opinion? I not sure how many, but I think they said 8 other officers were on scene, and yet none engaged the suspect. One officer went on record in stating how he didn't view the suspect as an immediate threat when he was shot. The officer that killed the suspect, said that he lunged at him. In his mind, maybe he did, but the tape tells a different story. He shot the guy, the guy falls down, and he continues to unload into the guy. Unfortunately for the officer, we have the luxury of Monday morning QB-ing because we have the video... but even so, despite tunnel vision, his eyes surely were working well enough to see the guy fall, the mind sound enough (for most) to recognize the threat was over, and yet he continued to empty his mag into the guy. In light of such, I can't reconcile why so many think he's getting railroaded. Well, I can, but that's another conversation.

 

[Trigger Time]

Where do you draw the line on such things? Do you create a standard, or do you rely in each officer's individual opinion? I not sure how many, but I think they said 8 other officers were on scene, and yet none engaged the suspect. One officer went on record in stating how he didn't view the suspect as an immediate threat when he was shot. The officer that killed the suspect, said that he lunged at him. In his mind, maybe he did, but the tape tells a different story. He shot the guy, the guy falls down, and he continues to unload into the guy. Unfortunately for the officer, we have the luxury of Monday morning QB-ing because we have the video... but even so, despite tunnel vision, his eyes surely were working well enough to see the guy fall, the mind sound enough (for most) to recognize the threat was over, and yet he continued to empty his mag into the guy. In light of such, I can't reconcile why so many think he's getting railroaded. Well, I can, but that's another conversation.

I already said why hes being railroaded.

 

[phylodog]

Where do you draw the line on such things? .

The line is drawn with proof beyond a reasonable doubt as determined by a jury of one's peers. At least that's the way it's supposed to work. How many of the jurors were police officers who have been involved in a deadly force confrontation? I've stood five feet from a man with a steak knife in his hand and while I had half the trigger pull weight taken up I didn't shoot but like I said, everyone is different and I could easily find you 50 officers who would have. Would they have been wrong? I told him three times to drop it before he did.

I'm hoping to retire in three more working days. It isn't what I had planned and I never thought I'd see the day where I'd welcome giving up the profession but there is precious little I'll miss about it. 15 years ago I couldn't believe they were paying me to do the job, now they aren't paying anywhere near enough and I honestly can't comprehend why anyone would consider going in to this profession, particularly in a large metropolitan area. This country will reap what it has sewn and the disaster areas left behind will hopefully serve as a reminder for a few generations but we've seen how quickly things are forgotten so I don't put much faith into that belief.

 

[Ziggidy]

So what is the difference between 1st degree and 2nd degree murder?

 

[Dead Duck]

So what is the difference between 1st degree and 2nd degree murder?

One degree.

 

[lonehoosier]

This cleared up the 1st degree vs 2nd degree for me
Second-degree murder versus first-degree murder, explained - Chicago Tribune

I don't see how the jury reconciled 2nd degree murder with Aggravated battery with a firearm.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

So what is the difference between 1st degree and 2nd degree murder?

 

[Butch627]

The sheer number of counts he was convicted on is quite shocking, at least to me anyway. A few of the jurors couldn't wait to get on tv and radio to explain their reasoning and thoughts. From my perspective those words will be used in the appeal that is sure to be coming. This is going to have a chilling effect on actions by Chicago cops in the future, I expect the lawlessness in Chicago to escalate with the cops being mindful to protect themselves first and foremost.

 

[Trigger Time]

The sheer number of counts he was convicted on is quite shocking, at least to me anyway. A few of the jurors couldn't wait to get on tv and radio to explain their reasoning and thoughts. From my perspective those words will be used in the appeal that is sure to be coming. This is going to have a chilling effect on actions by Chicago cops in the future, I expect the lawlessness in Chicago to escalate with the cops being mindful to protect themselves first and foremost.

If I was a white cop in Chicago I'd be finding a new career profession or moving to a different city to be a cop.
Democrats ruin cities. Dont vote for democrats

 

[Gabriel]

I'm hoping to retire in three more working days. It isn't what I had planned and I never thought I'd see the day where I'd welcome giving up the profession but there is precious little I'll miss about it. 15 years ago I couldn't believe they were paying me to do the job, now they aren't paying anywhere near enough and I honestly can't comprehend why anyone would consider going in to this profession, particularly in a large metropolitan area.

That's pretty awesome, congrats! I concur with the rest of your statement. This job isn't nearly the same as it was fifteen years ago, I can't imagine how bad it will be in fifteen more. Luckily I only have five left (or seven if I can manage to actually stay until I'm 52).

 

[phylodog]

That's pretty awesome, congrats! I concur with the rest of your statement. This job isn't nearly the same as it was fifteen years ago, I can't imagine how bad it will be in fifteen more. Luckily I only have five left (or seven if I can manage to actually stay until I'm 52).

Thanks but this isn't what I had planned. I try not to complain but a medical isn't how I wanted to go out.

Thanks for the rep/msg TT. I appreciate it.

Sorry if i went over the top on this thread, I just see things from the other side and see officers who go to work with no ill intent whatsoever being thrown to the lions to satiate the appetites of the social justice warriors. I predicted things would get to this point several years ago, where juries would determine that the first 2 or 3 shots were justified but that 4th one, oh lawd that 4th one was just uncalled for and we need to imprison that officer. At some point society will run out of talented morons willing to raise their right hand and oh how there will be screaming then.

 

[Ziggidy]

I just see things from the other side and see officers who go to work with no ill intent whatsoever being thrown to the lions to satiate the appetites of the social justice warriors. I predicted things would get to this point several years ago, where juries would determine that the first 2 or 3 shots were justified but that 4th one, oh lawd that 4th one was just uncalled for and we need to imprison that officer. At some point society will run out of talented morons willing to raise their right hand and oh how there will be screaming then.

I have great respect for your profession and feel for y'all. Sorry to hear about you retirement, or at least how it came to be.

How long ago do you feel everything began to change? Before Hussain or after?

 

[phylodog]

I have great respect for your profession and feel for y'all. Sorry to hear about you retirement, or at least how it came to be.

How long ago do you feel everything began to change? Before Hussain or after?

As soon as society decided that being a victim trumped everything we were in trouble.

 

[Leadeye]

Retiring to a rural lifestyle, congratulations!

 

[Gabriel]

Thanks but this isn't what I had planned. I try not to complain but a medical isn't how I wanted to go out.

Sorry to hear that.

 

[KLB]

Thanks but this isn't what I had planned. I try not to complain but a medical isn't how I wanted to go out.

Thanks for the rep/msg TT. I appreciate it.

Sorry if i went over the top on this thread, I just see things from the other side and see officers who go to work with no ill intent whatsoever being thrown to the lions to satiate the appetites of the social justice warriors. I predicted things would get to this point several years ago, where juries would determine that the first 2 or 3 shots were justified but that 4th one, oh lawd that 4th one was just uncalled for and we need to imprison that officer. At some point society will run out of talented morons willing to raise their right hand and oh how there will be screaming then.

No apology needed. This case has been a hard one for me to wrap my head around from the beginning, and I always appreciate the perspective of the officers on here.

Good luck with the retirement. I'm sure taking care of your new place will keep you busy.

 

[HoughMade]

Judge finds Chicago police officers not guilty in Laquan McDonald cover-up case - Story | WFLD

Good thing it's cold and snow is on the way.

 

[Dead Duck]

Judge finds Chicago police officers not guilty in Laquan McDonald cover-up case - Story | WFLD

Good thing it's cold and snow is on the way.

Thug hopped up on PCP with a knife?
I would have killed him...... twice. Cops got shafted. Big time.

I hope they do riot and burn that city to the ground. It worked out for LA.

 

[T.Lex]

This was only a verdict on the issue of whether or not they falsified stuff in the reports or covered up wrongdoing.

The cop-shooter was already convicted of something related to the actual shooting.

 

[HoughMade]

This was only a verdict on the issue of whether or not they falsified stuff in the reports or covered up wrongdoing.

The cop-shooter was already convicted of something related to the actual shooting.

Sentencing tomorrow. I have a feeling that this verdict is bad news for the defendant at sentencing.

 

[T.Lex]

Sentencing tomorrow. I have a feeling that this verdict is bad news for the defendant at sentencing.

Why?

If he'd been convicted, the conviction for an unrelated crime might have been an aggravating circumstance to justify a longer sentence. (Caveat: I have no idea how sentencing is done in Illinois.)

An acquittal on the coverup at least means that they have to use some other kind of corrupt practice to aggravate his sentence. (See: I do have a little idea how sentencing works in Illinois.)