Pro-2A Rally - in the works APRIL 14

[Vigilant]

Blah blah blah... I don't attend... blah blah blah.


Right, so just leave it everyone else because.... B.S. excuses.

That's all they are. Bull. Someone needs to call this drivel out for what it is.

98% of the people there didn't wear camo and there was only one Confederate battle flag that I saw and that was on a single sign.... So yeah, your reasons for not going are total and pure B.S. Did you not want to leave the house because it might rain? Needed to sleep in? Sort your socks? Leave it to someone else because parking on the street is $5 for 3 hours. Who knows, but your reasoning is pure B.S.

If, as you claim, the 1 guy out of about 2,000 people was a plant then you just surrendered to them.

You need to stop spreading lies and excuses about these events because it's people like you who are turning others off. You know, the ones who read your post and "don't want to be lumped in" with people who aren't even there.

Be a part of the solution, not a mouth piece for the anti's.

Dunno, I kinda agree with TT, why make a 2nd Amendment stand with unloaded weapons? Why dress like Colonel Cletus and wear a condom on your rifle, so you’re protected when someone shoves it up your backside? I don’t want to be associated with Colonel Cletus, or any of that type. The lefties aren’t bashful about rallies and protests, why should we be? Reminds me of the INGO walk of a few years back where you were to be asked for your papers before being allowed to attend? That was ok back then, but let a cop ask you for your Larry, and there’s a 40page butthirt thread on INGO about “Mah Rieeets”?

 

[MCgrease08]

98% of the people there didn't wear camo

C'mon now. While I agree with your overall sentiment, you know the percetage of camo was much higher than this. At least 30-40% of the crowd had some form of camo on.

I also agree with TT that we do need to step our game up and look presentable. The gun grabbers expect to see a bunch of Bubbas in the crowd, but they don't necessarily expect to see people that look like their neighbors and co-workers.

This goes back to what BrotherBill and others have said; that we can't stay silent around our friends and neighbors while expecting others to carry the water for us. We must speak up and take away the stigma of gun ownership.

And anyone who doesn't think TriggerTime walks the walk every damn day, clearly isn't paying attention. For some of us, like me, just showing up to a public rally is a big first step to more activism and involvment. Guys like TT are already committed and make an impact in other ways.

 

[churchmouse]

Well, I was not there. So I have very little input here. I do have some seriously strong feelings as to what needs done. A united front with a strong singular message would be a great start but we lack our guiding light right now. The pic above makes me cringe because I hear what the soccer moms and snow flakes think of this.

I know TT out in the real. We have had these conversations. He is active in ways many have no idea.

So in all of this I would simply ask that we do not continue down this path. Please.

As has been stated. Infighting will only slow this whole process down. Civility. Between ourselves and those we are trying to bring out into the light.

Carry on.

 

[Trigger Time]

It wasn't my party and the people who did put it on worked extremely hard organizing it. The issue I have with you and your comments are quite clear; your mantra about a single poster that one person out of thousands was carrying is defamatory to everyone else who attended and serves to do nothing but discourage and put others who may want to attend off.

You are serving the anti's agenda with your hateful descriptions of those in attendance.

The picture of the guy in camo with a condom on his rifle? Yeah, I cringed when I saw him too but, and here is where the awesome part kicks in... AMERICA IS A FREE COUNTRY... sort of anyway. If that's his thing, whatever.

Here is something that may help you out, instead of complaining and discouraging others from presenting a positive image, do like myself and thousands of others do. Present the image you feel best represents the RKBA movement.



That doesn't really make sense. I'm quite public about where I go and the events I attend, if you really wanted to you could just show up at any of them and introduce yourself. There is nothing I say on the internet I won't say to someone in person.

I dont folow you. I dont know who you are other than someone I rarely see in some posts on ingo. You do your thing ill do mine but do not call me a liar. I gave my reason before that I feel these are pointless. Before I even got into the other stuff. Our righteous cause will never be fairly represented even if we had 10k people attend.
We cant even get enough people to write or call our Republican speaker of the indiana house to make him honor his oath.
No one takes our side seriously. Are we nice or are we wimps? That is the issue that needs worked out
When james Yeager made his now famous video that got every baby all worked up and crying, I was cheering
That's all I'll say

 

[Hatin Since 87]

We’re on the same team, right?

I don’t think it’s hateful for TT to give his reasons for not going. I also didn’t attend, was going to go with a guy at work but he pretty much stated the same concerns as TT did. I think it’s great people in our community worked so hard to put the event on, and it’s awesome it had such a great turnout. Thank you for doing that for our country and fellow Americans. However, I also think we should be more welcoming of people’s concerns and discuss it in a welcoming manner, instead of calling them hateful and telling them they’re supplying the anti’s with ammo. I think the concerns TT raised is something that should be discussed. I’m sure there were a lot who didn’t attend for those same reasons. Instead of castrating them, a discussion about easing their fears might be more constructive.

Just my opinion, for what it’s worth.

 

[churchmouse]

Post #523 people.

 

[Trigger Time]

Post #523 people.

I was typing 524 as you posted 523 for the record. Didnt read it till after I posted

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

I dont folow you. I dont know who you are other than someone I rarely see in some posts on ingo. You do your thing ill do mine but do not call me a liar. I gave my reason before that I feel these are pointless. Before I even got into the other stuff. Our righteous cause will never be fairly represented even if we had 10k people attend.
We cant even get enough people to write or call our Republican speaker of the indiana house to make him honor his oath.
No one takes our side seriously. Are we nice or are we wimps? That is the issue that needs worked out
When james Yeager made his now famous video that got every baby all worked up and crying, I was cheering
That's all I'll say

I didn't get to go either but listened to a number of speakers on Bill's FB live. Was this addressed? Did any of the speakers implore the attendees to pick up the phone? Send emails? Go to meet-n-greets legislators have from time to time? Because the lefties do that. They run for local office, school boards. They get loud and make sure the powers that be know where they stand. (Me included), we don't. We tend to mind our own business and stay out of that mess.

We need to encourage each other to get involved.

 

[churchmouse]

I was typing 524 as you posted 523 for the record. Didnt read it till after I posted

There are very deep and emotional feelings we all carry in this. Being labeled a killer with blood on our hands by a 17 year old leftist puppet has really gotten to many of us. It most certainly has me twisted up.

I will openly admit that with all the pressure that has been put on us as a group, coupled with the real life issues I am dealing with right now I honestly was not the reasonable person we as a group needed at any rally were there to be snowflakes in the vicinity. I know my limitations and my reach out and snatch up a butt head reflex's are at a very high level at present. So I bowed out. I know Kelly as he mans the Ingo booth with me on a regular basis. He is a well spoken and knowledgeable man. I hold him in high regard. I discussed this with him.

Then as I read through this and other threads I came to change my mind and made plans to attend. As always life intervened as to the serious medical issues my spouse is going through right now. No I did not sleep in... but I could not attend.

I spread the word to all that might listen. When ever i can. I take folks to the range and introduce them to our hobby/passion and pursuits of our God given rights.
In all my efforts I have been near 95% successful after some range time. 1 battle/encounter at a time.

We need a guiding light. That will be so very difficult to find. Who would want to expose themselves to the onslaught from the left if to take on that position.

 

[Trigger Time]

I didn't get to go either but listened to a number of speakers on Bill's FB live. Was this addressed? Did any of the speakers implore the attendees to pick up the phone? Send emails? Go to meet-n-greets legislators have from time to time? Because the lefties do that. They run for local office, school boards. They get loud and make sure the powers that be know where they stand. (Me included), we don't. We tend to mind our own business and stay out of that mess.

We need to encourage each other to get involved.

This is why they are winning and yes they are winning. They wrecked this country for 8 years with Obama and it scared the **** out of their own people so bad that even they voted for trump instead of Hillary thank God.
We need to educate the public about history and show them the importance of being armed not just for personal self defense but for the reason our founders ensured we had the 2nd written for posterity. Be honest with your neighbor. If enough people say the same thing then it no longer becomes "fringe". We are law abiding citizens fighting for the constitution. We are fighting and supporting our own form of government yet we get called fringe? See the problem with that? The other side that is against this republic is winning and you better believe they are fringe and they're bringing their evil mainstream and arent afraid to openly say it.
So I'm not afraid to openly tell them what I need to say if they cross the line against freedom. Although I cant on this forum.

 

[Prometheus]

Dunno, I kinda agree with TT, why make a 2nd Amendment stand with unloaded weapons?

That's a personal choice, in Indiana anyway. I will say that I saw a lot of brass inside of the numerous windowed pmags people had in their rifles. I also saw one or two folks with empty chamber indicators as well.

My position was, do whatever you like, so long as it's lawful. I also said I'd carry a bat before I carried an unloaded rifle. I had a rifle over my back during the event (except when speaking on the capitol grounds and I handed it off to a trusted person).

Why dress like Colonel Cletus and wear a condom on your rifle, so you’re protected when someone shoves it up your backside? I don’t want to be associated with Colonel Cletus, or any of that type.

Then portray the image you think is best and let that guy be in the minority of those in attendance. Maybe nicely tell him you can catch more flies with honey and next time maybe tone it down a little. If he doesn't, that's fine, his Rights are no more or less important than ours.

It's pretty simple, if no one went because a few dozen ppl wore camo (I mean camo like the guy in the picture above, not a NRA real tree ball cap) and one guy had that sign then all the media would have shown was a few dozens of 'those people' instead of the overwhelming majority of regular folks who presented what I would assume every single person here would feel was a "very positive" image. Then how would "the community" look?

 

[brotherbill3]

I'd say far over half the weapons there - were loaded. It was a "request" - we also said - BE ADULTS - OBEY THE LAW & BE SAFE.
Mine wasn't cause I new I'd have to hand it off and on - - instead it wore a sign:



M.S.R.
Modern Sporting Rifle
Used for Legal Hunting
Firearms and Marksmanship Train'g.
Competition,
Defense of People and Property
AND if needed as a last resort, LIBERTY

- we - well really our main host - ASSUMED a lot of responsibility / liability to allow us and get us on Gov't Complex Property.

You do realize some states you cannot even carry at any type of protest or rally - not even concealed. (Just sayin') ...

 

[brotherbill3]

I didn't get to go either but listened to a number of speakers on Bill's FB live. Was this addressed? Did any of the speakers implore the attendees to pick up the phone? Send emails? Go to meet-n-greets legislators have from time to time? Because the lefties do that. They run for local office, school boards. They get loud and make sure the powers that be know where they stand. (Me included), we don't. We tend to mind our own business and stay out of that mess.

We need to encourage each other to get involved.

I'm working on getting FB live videos and getting them more share-able / other media friendly -

lets call this a learning curve - we had the best event lined up of speakers - we got a PA that worked well enough for everyone there to hear.
we have actual good recordings of almost, if not everyone, but only in 1 format. - do better next time.

and yes - we mentioned the 4 box (I call it 5: mail, soap, ballot, jury and ammo, but I was out of time) - Prometheous and another mentioned the boxes
JMPupillo opened up that he's had letters and such published in several national publications on the issues.
ANYONE can meet with legislators and their staff.

the repeated message - was YOU CAN DO THIS - YOU NEED TO BE A PART.

I plan to get some of the videos shared - you have have to go to facebook for awhile to see them though.
along with the who's and such.

 

[Trigger Time]

Like I said before I have no problem with people doing what they want. Being in a militia if they want even, I'm not but I'm cool with that if they like it.
I'm VERY supportive of Confederate flags too. Have one. Nope dont fly it outside my house. Nope it's not hanging in my house. It was flown over a southern state Capitol before the race baiters nixed that so its in a flag case with the certificate from the state.
I respect people dressing and believing as they wish and practicing religion or non religion ect. I ****ing love freedom. I would give up everything I have on this earth to preserve freedom.
Yep here's my BUT,
When you attend court there is a level of respect or a decorum. I'm sure many dont but I would wear at least a shirt and tie. If you walk into a store to buy something wearing clean or nicer clothes you will be treated better. You will immediately command a level of respect that maybe you wouldbt if you dressed poorly. Yeah it's not always right or fair but that's reality and I'm just speaking frankly.
I get wearing and NRA or INGO or military branch hat or even a camo hat, but if I were an organizer and could make people listen (I'm sure they dont listen) I would tell them to please dress in clean and respectable clothes. Jean's and a t shirt or even a polo. Leave the BDU's and drop leg holsters at home, leave the long guns at home too for these type rallys. People on ingo RIP APART someone who open Carrys a rifle into a store or down the street yet they think it's fine for a rally? I dont get it. Yes legal but I think it sends a mixed message. Either we are drawing a line in the sand or we are winning hearts and minds? Which is it?
Because if you arent willing to even write a letter then you arent ready to defend any line in the sand and if you say you will you are full of ****.
Also something else that turns off a lot of gun people is having a damn camera shoved in their face all the damn time so everyone can post it on every corner of the internet and also beam it out to possible aliens in space. It doesn't just happen at rallys it happens at every damn gun event you go to. It's a real turn off. I cant believe the total fail in famsec and OPEC so many people in the gun community have. Beaming to the world that you collect guns and here is my face (ok)
Allowing the government to let police know who has an LTCH and who doesn't (hell no muh rights!!)
UH THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND ( I'm against both)
I dont think that's too much to ask for a political type rally.

If you wanna have a line in the sand rally I support that too. Bust out the long guns and camo for that one because intimidation would be the message.

That's as best as I can type it out. It's much easier to say this type of stuff in person than to type it.

 

[brotherbill3]

I ended the rally speaking;
Here - I hope to have better soon and the whole list line up ... ramble - especially at the end.
(sorry had extra tasks unexpected and didn't get to prep as well as I wanted or to make a note to tie in all prior speakers as I hoped, I got most though.)

yes it is on Facebook but it is also public so anyone can see it - I have to do that let it be shareable to the world and you shouldn't need to log in to see it ... I'll try to be finding another venue - perhaps youtube if they didn't delete me yet.

https://www.facebook.com/bill.slike/videos/10210826155032244/

 

[KellyinAvon]

After reading through this thread I thought I was going to be invoking Samuel L Jackson in Pulp Fiction, EVERYBODY BE COOL!!

Here is the problem: gun owners are independent, incredibly law-abiding and just want to be left alone.

Here's another problem: where are we trying to go and how do we get there from here? Get a head count and you'll know how many different ideas we have.

We are a collection of individuals. We need to be a team.

Call, write, e-mail, speak in person to elected officials. Show up in large groups in front of where they work. This system can really suck but it's the one we got. Let them know we are here, and we vote.

 

[87iroc]

Did anyone notice any possible 'infiltrators'? I cannot be sure, but there was a dude in a white jacket that seemed to be taking pictures of dudes with long guns, and just did not seem to fit the mold. There is the obvious point that the crowd was diverse, and this is great. By infiltrators, I mean people that were not on the 2A side and I am not getting all paranoid. I could be wrong, but wanted to see if anyone else noticed.

I also found it a bit amusing when the guy on a bike insisted on riding/walking his bike through the crowd.

I saw a few that I thought were probalby going to post on social media something to the effect of 'these child killers are crazy' or some such.

I was standing there when the annoyed guy came through the crowd on his bike. I figured he was more friendly to the 'rally goers' a few weeks back.

 

[brotherbill3]

Like I said before I have no problem with people doing what they want. Being in a militia if they want even, I'm not but I'm cool with that if they like it.
I'm VERY supportive of Confederate flags too. Have one. Nope dont fly it outside my house. Nope it's not hanging in my house. It was flown over a southern state Capitol before the race baiters nixed that so its in a flag case with the certificate from the state.
I respect people dressing and believing as they wish and practicing religion or non religion ect. I ****ing love freedom. I would give up everything I have on this earth to preserve freedom.
Yep here's my BUT,
When you attend court there is a level of respect or a decorum. I'm sure many dont but I would wear at least a shirt and tie. If you walk into a store to buy something wearing clean or nicer clothes you will be treated better. You will immediately command a level of respect that maybe you wouldbt if you dressed poorly. Yeah it's not always right or fair but that's reality and I'm just speaking frankly.
I get wearing and NRA or INGO or military branch hat or even a camo hat, but if I were an organizer and could make people listen (I'm sure they dont listen) I would tell them to please 1 dress in clean and respectable clothes. Jean's and a t shirt or even a polo. 2Leave the BDU's and drop leg holsters at home, leave the 3long guns at home too for these type rallys. People on ingo RIP APART someone who open Carrys a rifle into a store or down the street yet they think it's fine for a rally? I dont get it. Yes legal but I think it sends a mixed message. Either we are drawing a line in the sand or we are winning hearts and minds? Which is it?
Because if you arent willing to even write a letter then you arent ready to defend any line in the sand and if you say you will you are full of ****.
Also something else that turns off a lot of gun people is having a damn camera shoved in their face all the damn time so everyone can post it on every corner of the internet and also beam it out to possible aliens in space. It doesn't just happen at rallys it happens at every damn gun event you go to. It's a real turn off. I cant believe the total fail in famsec and OPEC so many people in the gun community have. Beaming to the world that you collect guns and here is my face (ok)
Allowing the government to let police know who has an LTCH and who doesn't (hell no muh rights!!)
UH THINK ABOUT THAT FOR A SECOND ( I'm against both)
I dont think that's too much to ask for a political type rally.

If you wanna have a line in the sand rally I support that too. Bust out the long guns and camo for that one because intimidation would be the message.

That's as best as I can type it out. It's much easier to say this type of stuff in person than to type it.

1 DRESS was listed

DRESS: There is no specific dress code for this event. We would RECOMMEND and PREFER that you dress as you normally would. There is no need to create a false or impressive image. Dress in comfortable and weather appropriate attire. We are trying to show that we are normal people, who choose to be prepared; and part of that preparedness, is that we are armed.

2 The few in BDU's / kits:

Private security is well covered and will be on site.

The main host actually received a threat before hand that (... part of why she got nervous, and Ill and didn't speak ...) But the guys in full gear wear all for MIL (and/or LEO) that volunteered to help out w/ event security in light of that and the higher profile speakers. They were the ONLY folks in gear like that.

Yes a few others had camo jackets, hats and such. I didnt' see anyone else 'all decked out' - why note this? I'm sitting in my office, professional engineer wearing a breathable grey camo'ed long sleeve shirt under my black INS golf polo. ... its normal attire for some. MOST were in what I'd call normal attire for an un predictable weather day in April where Mother nature couldn't decide what to throw at us. You see me "as I am" on the video there and in my interview w/ WISH TV. ...

3 Long guns - After the ruling in MASS and the City Council guy starting his resolution, is when I decided to bring my AR. I knew how I would be dressed and I also planned on the sign that it had attached (see prior post) ... because so many do not understand ... if we hide that normal folks own AR's - or that we carry (CC only when we do) or other such things; we let the only thing people know be what the news and entertainment media tell them.

We had 2 guidance things for the event on this:

FIREARMS: Legal possession and carry of firearms is encouraged. Be advised that you may NOT step onto State Government Complex Property while in possession of a firearm. This includes Senate Avenue between the Capital Building and the Government Center Buildings to the west. Please Carry Safely (Remember the 4 rules!)

and I added this ... to try to keep negative perceptions under control:

SHOPS, STORES, RESTAURANTS, ETC: I expect we have all seen the ridiculous pictures of many of the armed marches that have carried long guns into businesses that create a highly negative and divisive view of our cause with the public at large. Therefore, we are RESPECTFULLY and SPECIFICALLY request that long guns are NOT carried INTO BUSINESSES. Remember, we’re trying to make positive impression; we have plenty of opposition already. Thank you in advance for remembering and considering the rights of the property owners in this request.


A Note from the Local Hosts: Yes, we know of the past exceptions to this request. These were all done with prior notification and the O.K. of the specific businesses. While OC of side-arms is not entirely unusual downtown, and the OC of Long guns is legal; a number of these businesses are even opposed to concealed carry. And those NOT opposed to any form of carry, do not wish to have negative publicity associated with long guns tied to their business.
Let’s be respectful, smart and safe about how we present ourselves, and how we carry both our goals and firearms.

I know a few did this at the end - when they went to eat ... and they VERIFIED that it was OK w/ the restaurant before entering. which would be consistent and OK with that. Long ago men fired their rifles and muskets into the air before entering a building. ...

That's the official line on all this.

Also see the bottom quote in #486 of the thread. ...

Keep at it - we need us all. - doing all we can - and sometimes more. Like the minute men - militia and alarm listers in Concord.

 

[Vigilant]

Honest question since I wasn’t there. Were there any Butter Fudds in attendance?

 

[MindfulMan]

Pics are online at https://www.dbnphotos.com/Firearms/Pro-Second-Amendment-Rally-41418/
Enjoy!

Excellent photojournalism !