Approximately 20 killed in nightclub shooting

[Woobie]

We're all fabulous and queer!

<-------Neither fabulous nor queer, just American and pissed.

Bars are GFZ's in FL, so I doubt anyone was carrying.

 

[cbhausen]

drunk people with guns is not the best scenario

...and drunk people being mowed down, helpless, is worse. How about LIBERTY first???

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I wouldn't blade the victims like that (I'm not saying it's what you're doing but it could sound like it).
For all we know some might had some heroic actions (jumping on the shooter, shielding others), you just can't say that entire group didn't fight back and blame them for that.
Some might even had been carrying (I think you can CC in Florida).

Even if you're armed you might not even have the time to react to someone walking in and blasting everybody in the room.

Not blaming the victims, but exasperated that more of these folks do not see the sense in arming themselves. Even armed, if it is your time, it is your time, but if I am armed, I am not forced to rely on good luck or the mercy of a madman.

I have always been perplexed that there is not near 100% support of 2a in the queer, black and jewish communities. If I had taken the **** the gay folks have or my kin had been loaded into cattle cars and exterminated or held in literal chains, owned, sold and worked like animals, I would sure as **** want my people armed.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

drunk people with guns is not the best scenario

That is a good point and I have been thinking about it tonight. I figure it this way.

1: Everyone at a club is not drunk.
2: Carrying a gun requires you to be more responsible. It has required me to make better decisions than I made before I carried.

 

[Sylvain]

<-------Neither fabulous nor queer, just American and pissed.

Bars are GFZ's in FL, so I doubt anyone was carrying.

I didn't know abou that.


And I was just saying that to mean we all stand with the victims, not meant as an offense.
I'm not American so I wasn't gonna say "We're all American".

And I'm sure you can still be fabulous without being queer.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Shielding others is BS...........all that means is you take a couple before the one you were protecting takes a few.
Unless of course you know how much ammo the bad guy has and the order of targets.

I disagree. There are lots of accounts of shootings where one person gave their life to shield another and saved the other person. Carrying your gun, being effective with it and shooting the bastard who is trying to kill your people in the face fifteen or sixteen times is also an act of love and one I prefer to giving your life as a shield, but you make the best of the situation you are in.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I didn't know abou that.


And I was just saying that to mean we all stand with the victims, not meant as an offense.
I'm not American so I wasn't gonna say "We're all American".

And I'm sure you can still be fabulous without being queer.

No offense Sylvain, but most Americans figure the French are more than a little fabulous to begin with.

 

[Hookeye]

It might not be the best thing to do, especially depending on distance from the shooter.
But it's certainly a noble and brave thing to do I think, regardless of the effectiveness of the techique.
I heard reports of teachers shielding their students during school mass shooting.
In some cases it even gave a few seconds to allow others to escape (especially kids in school).

More noble is to stop an attacker.
Permanently.

 

[bwframe]

1: Everyone at a club is not drunk.
2: Carrying a gun requires you to be more responsible. It has required me to make better decisions than I made before I carried.

This ^^^
...and don't forget all the designated drivers. A lot of less than savy folks might be surprised how many non-alcoholic drinks are served in bars.

What's the penalty for carrying in a Florida bar?

 

[cbhausen]

This ^^^
...and don't forget all the designated drivers. A lot of less than savy folks might be surprised how many non-alcoholic drinks are served in bars.

What's the penalty for carrying in a Florida bar?

There is no penalty if you don't get caught.

 

[Sylvain]

Not blaming the victims, but exasperated that more of these folks do not see the sense in arming themselves. Even armed, if it is your time, it is your time, but if I am armed, I am not forced to rely on good luck or the mercy of a madman.

I have always been perplexed that there is not near 100% support of 2a in the queer, black and jewish communities. If I had taken the **** the gay folks have or my kin had been loaded into cattle cars and exterminated or held in literal chains, owned, sold and worked like animals, I would sure as **** want my people armed.

Me too.

Also those people go to bars to party and relax, they don't go there expecting trouble.
It takes a very special type of mentality to always think "what if" and be reading for many scenarios.

I guess lot of us on INGO think that way (and not even just when it comes to self defense but gear and preparedness in general).
Many people just don't have that kind of mentality.

Just the other day somebody spotted a flashlight in my pocket and asked me why I needed one in the middle of the day.
They didn't see the need, even though they were about to walk in a mall only light up with artificial lights.

 

[oldpink]

That's the real tragedy here, isn't it?

Kindergarten let out early once again, and here you are.
Coincidence?

 

[7urtle]

...and drunk people being mowed down, helpless, is worse. How about LIBERTY first???

liberty of what?

 

[Woobie]

Hey, Sylvain, no offense taken, brother. I knew exactly what you meant, and you are spot on. I just can't lay claim to either of those titles. But I will own to being angry. I'm still part of a rifle company for a couple more months, and I would love to take a hundred of my closest friends and visit this killing tenfold upon ISIS. Violently.

 

[7urtle]

This ^^^
...and don't forget all the designated drivers. A lot of less than savy folks might be surprised how many non-alcoholic drinks are served in bars.

What's the penalty for carrying in a Florida bar?

That is a good point and I have been thinking about it tonight. I figure it this way.

1: Everyone at a club is not drunk.
2: Carrying a gun requires you to be more responsible. It has required me to make better decisions than I made before I carried.

crowded drunks and low light sounds like a great place to bring a gun

There is no penalty if you don't get caught.

yes lets only follow laws you agree with

 

[hoosierdoc]

yes lets only follow laws you agree with

and the convenient ones. Don't forget those.

lemme guess, you don't speed.

 

[Roadie]

 

[DoggyDaddy]

This ^^^
...and don't forget all the designated drivers. A lot of less than savy folks might be surprised how many non-alcoholic drinks are served in bars.

What's the penalty for carrying in a Florida bar?

Don't know what the penalty for carrying is, but in this case, the penalty for not carrying was death.

 

[OakRiver]

Political correctness strikes again:

Reddit Bans Users, Deletes Comments On Orlando Terror Attack | The Daily Caller

In a similar vein I see that Facebook is behind the curve on a flag filter that usually follows an episode of Islamic terrorism in the Western world. I wonder why that is?

 

[Kirk Freeman]

drunk people with guns is not the best scenario

Everyone at a gay dance club is drunk? I think not.

crowded drunks and low light sounds like a great place to bring a gun

Omar brought his.