Three dead, possible 6 from tainted heroin in Bloomington.

[Kirk Freeman]

Many violent crime (which is on the rise) arrests in Richmond are perps with a Dayton address. Any town with a stop sign is a town with heroin users who don't seem to care where it comes from or who is selling it to them..

Wait, you are talking Dayton, Ohio, not Dayton, Indiana?

 

[jd4320t]

Yes I meant Dayton Ohio. Some people brought it up when my sister was talking about the heroin od's she's seen.

 

[funeralweb]

Wait, you are talking Dayton, Ohio, not Dayton, Indiana?

 

[Peter Potamus]

If every drug addict on Earth died today from tainted heroin, the world would be a much better place. No sympathy and no using a dime of my tax dollars to treat them.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

The title of the OP reminded me of this story:

Two Arrested On Drug Charges After Selling Dirt As Heroin - WBIW.com / Local

 

[Denny347]

If every drug addict on Earth died today from tainted heroin, the world would be a much better place. No sympathy and no using a dime of my tax dollars to treat them.

Wow.

 

[T.Lex]

If every drug addict on Earth died today from tainted heroin, the world would be a much better place. No sympathy and no using a dime of my tax dollars to treat them.

Well then. How do you feel about your tax dollars burying them?

 

[Indy317]

Well then. How do you feel about your tax dollars burying them?

The problem is that this chemical completely changes the brain. I don't know if those changes can ever be reversed. Maybe some funding could be directed toward researching that as a possibility? Maybe there is more we could do with ibogaine? To prevent even the first use by some would be to stop pushing this constant idea on our young people that they need to be intoxicated in order to live life. The party lifestyle is pushed really hard on young people. Partying usually starts with alcohol, and for many it remains there. However, you will always have those who think they need to be doing more, or experiencing more. These young people then try cocaine, meth, bath salts, and pain pills. The pain pills usually will take someone to heroin. Talked to one guy who was an off and on again addict. He said he was in college and people were doing this and he tried it. Said he woke up the next morning and the first thing that he thought of was the heroin high from the night before. Said his memory of it was that it was so good he immediately wanted to do it again. That is definitely one hell of a chemical compound to be able to control people that easily.

I wish these people no harm one way or another, but then again, I am only willing to take so much taxation, as are most people. I also can't stand those who resort to breaking into homes or stealing A/C units and the like. They cause huge financial losses to innocent people, and everyone will eventually pay in increased insurance rates if thefts rise due to out-of-control addictions. If there really is no hope for recovery for most, due to the brain changes, then are only option is to incarcerate these people in minimal security type facilities because we can't afford to just let them steal people blind on a constant basis. Nor can we risk putting people at risk when a small % of those folks turn to more violent crimes such as armed robbery.

 

[T.Lex]

The problem is that this chemical completely changes the brain. I don't know if those changes can ever be reversed.

I have my own doubts whether it can be reversed, too. Or whether it is worth spending money on trying to reverse, when there are other medical issues out there that do not have their foundation in someone's own choices. That is more about prioritization than propriety.

But, having said that, therapy and counseling can help people overcome addiction. I have seen it. There will always be a struggle, but we all have crosses to bear.

 

[longbow]

One of the near dead had open heart surgeryand another is using every resource to try to keep him alive and they are taking up ccu beds.

The talk is a thousand bucks of heroin is going to have over a million in medical expenses.

 

[IndyDave1776]

It seems that we have the usual argument forming up regarding the view we may take of drug users. For the issue at hand, I will rely on my experience of having a cousin found dead from heroin (three days before I lost my dad).

There is the first argument over whether or not drugs are in fact a victimless crime. I can assure you that my aunt was devastated, and most of the remainder of the family didn't take it so well either. That said, the only person who died from it was the one who made the decision to use it largely predicated on a combination of not seeing past immediate gratification and believing that he was too smart for the consequences to catch up with him. Well, we know how that worked out. That said, I am not wavering on my position that, first, the federal government has no constitutional authority to intervene in any fashion and, much as I would prefer not having lost my cousin, the unpleasant truth is that he played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. I still do not believe that this warrants the government nannying people.

Second is the question of what should be done for or about drug users. I would advocate a minimalist approach. As Churchmouse pointed out upthread, this choice shortens people's lives and addicts are living on borrowed time. I hate everything about drug use and hate to remember my cousin in such a harsh light, but we cannot protect the stupid from themselves and the attempt to do so will both bankrupt us and serve as a foundation for even greater infringements on our liberty than we already experience, much of which is done in the name of fighting drugs.

Third is the issue of, well, rehabilitation. I do not doubt that drug abusers are salvageable with the caveat that they cannot and will not change until they want to change. My cousin did not want to change. I do have a problem with the current system of court-mandated treatment which seems rather ineffective for any purpose other than generating revenue from a captive audience. It sounds cold, but we do not have any reasonable or viable alternative other than to let those unwilling to change to self-liquidate. This is going to be the end result regardless of whether we see it for what it is and allow it, or we expend colossal sums of money and tolerate egregious violations of our rights in the name of the failing effort to force it to be otherwise and end up with the same result.

 

[churchmouse]

It seems that we have the usual argument forming up regarding the view we may take of drug users. For the issue at hand, I will rely on my experience of having a cousin found dead from heroin (three days before I lost my dad).

There is the first argument over whether or not drugs are in fact a victimless crime. I can assure you that my aunt was devastated, and most of the remainder of the family didn't take it so well either. That said, the only person who died from it was the one who made the decision to use it largely predicated on a combination of not seeing past immediate gratification and believing that he was too smart for the consequences to catch up with him. Well, we know how that worked out. That said, I am not wavering on my position that, first, the federal government has no constitutional authority to intervene in any fashion and, much as I would prefer not having lost my cousin, the unpleasant truth is that he played a stupid game and won a stupid prize. I still do not believe that this warrants the government nannying people.

Second is the question of what should be done for or about drug users. I would advocate a minimalist approach. As Churchmouse pointed out upthread, this choice shortens people's lives and addicts are living on borrowed time. I hate everything about drug use and hate to remember my cousin in such a harsh light, but we cannot protect the stupid from themselves and the attempt to do so will both bankrupt us and serve as a foundation for even greater infringements on our liberty than we already experience, much of which is done in the name of fighting drugs.

Third is the issue of, well, rehabilitation. I do not doubt that drug abusers are salvageable with the caveat that they cannot and will not change until they want to change. My cousin did not want to change. I do have a problem with the current system of court-mandated treatment which seems rather ineffective for any purpose other than generating revenue from a captive audience. It sounds cold, but we do not have any reasonable or viable alternative other than to let those unwilling to change to self-liquidate. This is going to be the end result regardless of whether we see it for what it is and allow it, or we expend colossal sums of money and tolerate egregious violations of our rights in the name of the failing effort to force it to be otherwise and end up with the same result.

Pretty much covers it.

 

[longbow]

Wonder if they will place the living druggies next to the guy with no face. From what I know he is still being treated.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Pretty much covers it.

Yeah I agree with Dave also. And some addicts (or substitute alcoholics, since it's essentially the same disease), can indeed be salvaged, but like Dave said, they have to be ready and willing to want to change people, places and things. And they will never be "cured". The best they can hope for is a daily reprieve. It's not a drinking (or drug using) problem. It's a thinking problem. And that requires a total reboot in most cases. A two week court ordered "treatment" is basically just a detox. It cannot "fix" the addict/alcoholic. It can be a start, but often isn't.

 

[funeralweb]

Wonder if they will place the living druggies next to the guy with no face. From what I know he is still being treated.

Guy with no face? What did he do?

 

[longbow]

Guy with no face? What did he do?

suicide with a shotgun, but only blew his jaw, face, teeth,nose and eyes off his face. The guy is alive , but I'm not sure he is living.

 

[PistolBob]

What's this country coming to? It's gotten so bad you can't even trust your toothless mouth breathing hillbilly of a dope cook to sell you safe product any more. Wake up America...this stuff doesn't come from Phizer or Lilly....Darwin at work.

 

[rosejm]

Which has the more dangerous side effects, playing Russian Roulette with your arteries, or temporarily having Gumby Legs and sleepiness?

Wait... Which of these choices is about vigorous sex and which is about drugs?

 

[Htrailblazer]

I have a cousin in lexington currently on a respirator from an overdose. I dont have much info but I wonder if it could be related.

 

[Frank_N_Stein]

suicide with a shotgun, but only blew his jaw, face, teeth,nose and eyes off his face. The guy is alive , but I'm not sure he is living.

Did Judas Priest make him do it?