3 year old shot in head in Indy

[Trigger Time]

Have you EVER let your sidearm out of your sight for even 30 seconds?

Not away from a controlled range. When people make mistakes with guns someone almost always pays some sort of price.

 

[Manatee]

There are a lot of us that shoot competition on here and a lot who go out of their way to promote safety.
Don't be dragging the rest of us down the toilet with you on your silly idea that carrying an unloaded gun for self defense is a good idea for novices.

And I've said that….where?

 

[Trigger Time]

I'm curious as to what kind of pistol it was. I'm not going to leave my weapons around to find out , but I don't think my 4 year old daughter would be physically able to disengage the safety or handle the trigger pull.

+1 to you for not even taking the chance. But as a father myself I have observed my child use items as tools, use leverage, stack items to try and climb and reach items, Ect. If there is a will there is a way. Even safety caps on medication isn't child proof.

 

[bwframe]

And I've said that….where?

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...top-carrying-empty-chamber-5.html#post4634315

 

[the1kidd03]

Not away from a controlled range. When people make mistakes with guns someone almost always pays some sort of price.

My point is that not everything is predictable or preventable. There was little they could do in this situation. Everyone has lapses in judgement in different circumstances and to varying degrees. Nobody is perfect.

 

[Manatee]

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...top-carrying-empty-chamber-5.html#post4634315

Well, it might be semantics, but I never recommended carrying an UNLOADED weapon. I reiterate: What is safe for someone with training and practice is not necessarily safe for someone lacking in one or both of those attributes.

 

[BehindBlueI's]

Kids die every month because of unsafe gun storage and lack of supervision. A lot more die from this than because "he didn't have one in the chamber cocked and locked".

 

[the1kidd03]

Where is your gun prior to putting it on your belt when leaving the home?

 

[SERparacord]

*Watches thread disintegrate.*

 

[Trooper]

The big thing in Afghanistan was the officers who wore their sidearms in horizontal shoulder holsters. Going through the DFAC you would have an M9 pointed at you.

 

[nakinate]

Why did you put earn respect in quotes as if that's what I said. I said you are disrespectful. Case in point your last post poking fun of the entirety of INGO members.

Crap, I was poked fun of on the interwebz. Now I'll go cry. Internet respect is a funny concept.

 

[Trigger Time]

My point is that not everything is predictable or preventable. There was little they could do in this situation. Everyone has lapses in judgement in different circumstances and to varying degrees. Nobody is perfect.

I'll have to respectfully disagree. This was preventable.

 

[public servant]

...I don't think my 4 year old daughter would be physically able to...handle the trigger pull.

They cannot handle the trigger pull...with one hand. So they turn the gun around with the muzzle facing their head and wrap both their thumbs around the trigger and pull.

 

[public servant]

I'll have to respectfully disagree. This was preventable.

 

[the1kidd03]

I'll have to respectfully disagree. This was preventable.

In theory, perhaps. If you have any trust in your family, then I can tell you it was not. Don't believe everything the media is telling you. Regardless, the circumstances that lead to this I seriously doubt anyone here has not done the same thing to some degree. Don't kid yourselves. Nobody is perfect. Accidents DO happen and it's not ALWAYS negligent.

 

[bwframe]

Well, it might be semantics, but I never recommended carrying an UNLOADED weapon. I reiterate: What is safe for someone with training and practice is not necessarily safe for someone lacking in one or both of those attributes.

Unchambered IS unloaded, but enough with this.
There are valid arguments on whether "parents" should be held legally accountable for allowing their children to obviously fall in harms way. That has nothing to do with your bringing your unloaded gun argument over here just to say:

Father carried "one in the chamber"?

...I told you so….

Rule #1 there "Mr. Safety"
1. All guns are always loaded

 

[jbombelli]

I don't come on the internet to "earn respect". I do care about gun safety and romanticizing certain gunfighting techniques WITHOUT supervised instruction (training) and practice.

I get it that every one of you INGO members are sharpshooters, masters-rated champions. BUT, just in case a casual reader is not, someone needs to mention safety and the downside of every technique. If I'm that guy, then so be it.

I've been involved in competitive shooting sports my whole life. The first and last thing we always talk about is safety. That doesn't seem to get a lot of play when we recommend people do "such and such".

Kids die every month because of unsafe gun storage and lack of supervision. A lot more die from this than because "he didn't have one in the chamber cocked and locked".

So, it's a matter of priority. Do what you will. But, if you injure someone from negligence, I hope they throw the book at you.

No. You come to the internet to troll INGO, harangue gun owners, and pretend you're better and smarter than everybody else.

Yeah, you. The guy that proclaimed shooting someone for following you is the right thing to do, among other tidbits of wisdom.

 

[public servant]

In theory, perhaps. If you have any trust in your family, then I can tell you it was not. Don't believe everything the media is telling you. Regardless, the circumstances that lead to this I seriously doubt anyone here has not done the same thing to some degree. Don't kid yourselves. Nobody is perfect. Accidents DO happen and it's not ALWAYS negligent.

Anyone who trusts a 3 year old enough to lay a loaded weapon on a table and walk away from it is a negligent fool.

These may have been good people...with good intentions. But stop making excuses for them.

This is tragic. But if it happened as reported...it was entirely preventable.

 

[Manatee]

Unchambered IS unloaded, but enough with this.
There are valid arguments on whether "parents" should be held legally accountable for allowing their children to obviously fall in harms way. That has nothing to do with your bringing your unloaded gun argument over here just to say:



Rule #1 there "Mr. Safety"
1. All guns are always loaded

A firearm is either loaded or it is not. How it is treated is another matter. It should always be treated as loaded, but the actual condition varies.

Unchambered is not unloaded. Get a dictionary.

 

[Manatee]

No. You come to the internet to troll INGO, harangue gun owners, and pretend you're better and smarter than everybody else.

Yeah, you. The guy that proclaimed shooting someone for following you is the right thing to do, among other tidbits of wisdom.

Context, Bombelli. Context.