These are the people we should pay $15/hr??

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  • actaeon277

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    What really makes me sad about stories like these is that people seem to expect something for nothing.

    They are eating at the cheapest fast food joints they can find /shopping at the cheapest possible stores, yet they expect the people in them to be something other than the cheapest possible labor. You make decisions exclusively on cost so the businesses you patronize do the same in order to compete. Every aspect of the transaction contains the absolute minimum time, materials, quality, and care because that is what you demand. Why would someone who had any skills to set them apart from their competition continue to work in a job like that?

    No, they are not expecting something for nothing.
    They are paying a minimum amount, but they should at least get minimum work.
    Adding up change is hardly higher function learning.
     

    BGDave

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    Things I've learned today; In regard to the drive thru I'll defer to Joe Pesci, every time. 88GT, that is probably the funniest thing I'll see today. "Short bus slow". You guys are killing me.
     

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    No, they are not expecting something for nothing.
    They are paying a minimum amount, but they should at least get minimum work.
    Adding up change is hardly higher function learning.

    Yes they are and neither they nor you can decide what constitutes 'minimum work' other than by spending your money elsewhere. The supply side of the equation makes the decision and they believe if employees who can count money cost even $0.01/hr more than ones who can't, the lower cost will result in more profit. They believe it because their customers reinforce that every day.
     

    freekforge

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    I understand the counting thing IF she was sick. i remember a few days were i had a cold and reading a micrometer or checking threads was nearly impossible. If she wasnt sick i blame the school systems for pushing people through. My cousin is a senior in high school and cant do basic math, 2+3 is a no go for him, he also cant spell his name or tell you his phone #. The school tells him he is just as smart as any other kid which means he wont listen when we try to help him learn basic stuff but he will still get his diploma in june and be thrown out into the real world with no knowledge
     

    CPT Nervous

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    I stopped at a McDonalds in Warsaw for lunch, and when my driver came back out, he told me that his total was (let's say) $5.85. He gave a her $10, and she gave him $4 and FIFTEEN pennies.

    He asked if she was out of dimes and nickels, and she explained that she was just learning to count change.

    Wow.
     

    perry

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    And you happen to have stumbled on my pet peeve with clocks: using numerals that are unused in any other context merely because they look pretty. There is no bloody reason to learn Roman numerals, yet every child must because people insist on using them in their clocks!!

    What you talkin bout Willis?


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    Not when she's getting free birth control from Obamacare...
    I'll gladly give my own money to support free birth control that way these people don't reproduce. It should be a requirement that if you want to accept public assistance or housing you be required to be on birth control. Soooo many problems would be lessened.
     

    6mm Shoot

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    Some years back I was sent a guy that couldn't read a rule. I asked him to cut me a peace of pipe 5'6" and he cut it 56". He told me he couldn't do feet and inches just the numbers. I would have to give him everything in inches. I explained that he needed to go back to the shop because that just wouldn't work. He got all out of shape.
     

    wolfman

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    While in high school and my first try at college, I worked at your typical gas station/convenience store. We never put in the amount the customer gave us, just hit 'cash' (debit cards were a thing of the future) and counted out the change.
    Occasionally I actually pay cash for things and if the amount is say $2.57 and I give the cashier $5.03 the very confused look in return is priceless!

    I suppose you do that just to get one of your own pennies back right?
     

    Frosty

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    Some years back I was sent a guy that couldn't read a rule. I asked him to cut me a peace of pipe 5'6" and he cut it 56". He told me he couldn't do feet and inches just the numbers. I would have to give him everything in inches. I explained that he needed to go back to the shop because that just wouldn't work. He got all out of shape.
    He couldn't read the big bold freakin' numbers on the tape!?!? See, I'm thinking it would be easy to look at a tape and at least be able to figure out the feet and inches! Maybe he just didn't like working with you?:lmfao:
     

    Frosty

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    I wonder if the people realize what is going to happen when/if the minimum wage goes up to $15? Man, going to mc'ds is expensive enough, but if they raise the prices to compensate for the minimum wage it's going to be as expensive as going to outback. A quarter pounder with cheese? That will be $11.99! Oh, did you want fries with that?

    how many jobs out there start out at minimum wage? Fast food, cashiers, gas station attendants, can you imagine the prices of groceries at Walmart if they have to pay 100 employees $15 an hour? Hell, I drive a truck daily, I have a lot of responsibility to not kill people, get to my stops, be defensive, not damage property, all the things that go with driving a car, just make your car a lot bigger, and it can be really stressful, and I don't even make $15 an hour! So all these people are going to accomplish is to send our economy the rest of the way down the drain. It's to bad people can't look past the end of their nose.
     

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    I wonder if the people realize what is going to happen when/if the minimum wage goes up to $15? Man, going to mc'ds is expensive enough, but if they raise the prices to compensate for the minimum wage it's going to be as expensive as going to outback. A quarter pounder with cheese? That will be $11.99! Oh, did you want fries with that?

    how many jobs out there start out at minimum wage? Fast food, cashiers, gas station attendants, can you imagine the prices of groceries at Walmart if they have to pay 100 employees $15 an hour? Hell, I drive a truck daily, I have a lot of responsibility to not kill people, get to my stops, be defensive, not damage property, all the things that go with driving a car, just make your car a lot bigger, and it can be really stressful, and I don't even make $15 an hour! So all these people are going to accomplish is to send our economy the rest of the way down the drain. It's to bad people can't look past the end of their nose.

    I've said this for years. To add on to what you said, if min. wage is $15, hiring requirements will go up. McDonalds isn't going to hire a 16 year old with no work expirience if they have to pay them $15. You're going to need a ****ing college degree to get even entry level jobs.

    So, younger generations won't be able to get into the work force and gain experience. Minimum wage should be illegal. Some jobs simply aren't worth $7.25.
     

    Frosty

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    I've said this for years. To add on to what you said, if min. wage is $15, hiring requirements will go up. McDonalds isn't going to hire a 16 year old with no work expirience if they have to pay them $15. You're going to need a ****ing college degree to get even entry level jobs.

    So, younger generations won't be able to get into the work force and gain experience. Minimum wage should be illegal. Some jobs simply aren't worth $7.25.
    that or jobs that require any amount of skill and labor will be vacant because why kill yourself when you can make the same money slinging burgers? I see the wage having to go up across the board just to keep skilled labor in their jobs, which is also going to raise prices on everything. These people aren't going to gain anything, the money they make will be proportionate to what they made at minimum wage considering the price increases that will happen.

    or, they just make the whole thing automated so they only need a couple techs to keep things in order. Then the minimum wage pushers will really be crying!
     

    CPT Nervous

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    that or jobs that require any amount of skill and labor will be vacant because why kill yourself when you can make the same money slinging burgers? I see the wage having to go up across the board just to keep skilled labor in their jobs, which is also going to raise prices on everything. These people aren't going to gain anything, the money they make will be proportionate to what they made at minimum wage considering the price increases that will happen.

    or, they just make the whole thing automated so they only need a couple techs to keep things in order. Then the minimum wage pushers will really be crying!

    Some of it is already automated. I can see that happening. It would certainly be cheaper.
     

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