Help me ID this PLEASE!!!

[Manatee]

Why not? Want to bring in the ATF or FBI on Sunday? And fill out all the paperwork?

Or, does he want a fast answer to a straightforward question?

 

[Double T]

First thing I thought on seeing the pics was, "Sten Gun".

Why is the IMPD relying on INGO for firearms identification?

Because we have shooter, that's why.

 

[Rookie]

Where else would anyone go to find gun answers?

 

[Double T]

Where else would anyone go to find gun answers?

Diane Feinstein's personal collection...I mean library. I hear she has loads of info...

She also reminds me of Deloris Umbridge.

 

[CathyInBlue]

Don't they have their own firearms division with access to all kinds of super-secure gubbmint databases of which we mere proles could never hope to be worthy?

 

[printcraft]

Diane Feinstein's personal collection...I mean library. I hear she has loads of info...

She also reminds me of Deloris Umbridge.

I Haaattteeed that woman.

Both, just for clarification.

 

[VUPDblue]

Cathy why do you you have to be all trollish? The man asked a gun question and you use it to troll the cops. Stay classy.

 

[CathyInBlue]

It's a legitimate question. Why can't the IMPD ID firearms without the assistance of a web forum?

 

[esrice]

It's a legitimate question. Why can't the IMPD ID firearms without the assistance of a web forum?

I'm sure they can. But INGO is faster and we have shooter521.

 

[VUPDblue]

It's a legitimate question. Why can't the IMPD ID firearms without the assistance of a web forum?

They can. The officer wouldn't know for a long time, if ever, what the make and model was if he didnt ask here. The crime lab folks wouldnt likely report back to him other than to confirm that it was a machinegun or not.

 

[long coat]

Why is the IMPD relying on INGO for firearms identification?

This

If my pants cargo pockets were any bigger you would have never heard about it! 10-8, GOA! (We're done, suspects Gone On Arival) ;-)

Will the ATF end up with it and give it back to the owner (if stolen, has a stamp pre 86, ect)?

 

[shooter521]

All of the CZ vz.82s which I've seen (including the one I own) are stamped "SHE" indicating that they were made in Uhersky Brod, Czechoslovakia (now Czech Republic). It precedes the year of manufacture. I don't think it has anything to do with Považská Bystrica (now Slovakia).

May be the first case ever reported of conflicting information on the internet!

I got my reference from here:
http://www.carbinesforcollectors.com/czecharms.html

Which reads in part:
In 1950 arms production was put on a war footing and increased 400% as Russia ordered preparation for the expected war with the West. After this, small arms exports dwindled to non Communist countries. Stalin had given permission for the Czechs to adopt "national conception" designs after the excellent show trials put on to purge the Party in 1950-51 and it was recognized that a semi-automatic rifle was needed to rearm the Army. Several designs were developed in various calibers. The CZ493 of 1949 led to the improved CZ502 which in final form was adopted as the VZ52 in 7.62x45mm in 1952. It was designed by J. Kratochvil at Ceska Zbrojovka, N.P. in Strakonice and was put into production at Povaska Bystrica, code "SHE", where it was made from 1952 to 1956 and at Uhersky Brod, code "AYM", from 1952 to 1957. With Soviet approval it was exported to Egypt, Syria and Cuba. At a later date, Cuba supplied some of their rifles to Grenada and to some African groups. The Union of Egypt and Syria in 1958 into the United Arab Republic led to Egypt sending many of its VZ52 to Syria, which are found to be marked UAR.

 

[Kagnew]

Sounds like one of our sources had too much Pilsner Urquell!

I don't know. All the vz.82 pistols I've seen have the "SHE" stamp, and they were made in Uhersky Brod (by Česká zbrojovka Uherský Brod, or "CZ-UB"). Of course, the vz.82 wasn't designed until 1982, and entered production in 1983. Maybe the armoury in Považská Bystrica had been closed by then, and the "SHE" code was transferred to Uhersky Brod. That might 'splain!

 

[IMPD31323]

I put it on here because at 9 o'clock at night there's not a ¥£*%} person that will answer a phone. I consider myself an individual very competent with a multitude of different platforms. This one had me stumped. Thank you for te quick and more importantly accurate information. Also, thank you Cathy for reminding me why I don't post on here often. Goodnight, stay safe, keep your heads down and you powder dry.

 

[dwh79]

I see nothing wrong with the question being asked here and I appreciate the info being shown to us as I like seeing the odd firearms. Stay safe.

 

[Vamptepes]

I know my dad will occasionally ask my if i can ID stuff for him. (He's also IMPD) And growing up in a house with him i understand why you would rather just do a forum question instead. Sometimes it's easier to ask one of your friends or the internet.

 

[danmdevries]

Threads like this make me proud to be a member here.

Similarly, the Jalopnik "To Catch A Car" tag. I've gotten "hat tip Dan" there for the first to correctly Identify Year/Make/Model leading to arrest.

And to feed the troll, nobody "signs up" for the worst case scenario. Yes, we understand the risk is there, but no professional signs on with a goal to meet the worst case scenario.

 

[223 Gunner]

Threads like this make me proud to be a member here.

Similarly, the Jalopnik "To Catch A Car" tag. I've gotten "hat tip Dan" there for the first to correctly Identify Year/Make/Model leading to arrest.

And to feed the troll, nobody "signs up" for the worst case scenario. Yes, we understand the risk is there, but no professional signs on with a goal to meet the worst case scenario.

If your "troll" reference is about me, I was simply stating a fact. If you become an LEO, you do sign up for what ever may come your way, both good and bad.
It seems to me, LEO's probably have more "perks" at work than the rest of us. I don't find WWII mags still in the wrap, or machine guns while I'm at work.
Yes they do face more danger than I do, but they not only signed up for it, they also took an oath.

 

[87iroc]

Its disturbing that a automatic weapon is found at a crime scene...Obscure as it is...

Thanks for sharing...

 

[Vamptepes]

From the few things I see, alot of the criminals wind up with obscure automatic rifle that are typically junk. They modify them anyway they can and usually cheaply and in an unsafe way. I have seen so many "dirty" guns on the streets because of the people I used to know. Alot of them were actually tts taped together with a tasco scope on them or a junk shotgun cut down. Then again I have full auto uzis and the like. One guy who used to walk around here had a glock with 30 round clip hanging out of his pants like it wasnt suspicous. Also have been offered 22berettas but was told they my have "bodies" on them. Messed up things to grow up around with all the people turning out that way. Was hard to stay on the straight and narrow when things on the street are cheaper. But I rather be law abiding.