steveh_131
Grandmaster
They ascertained that the suspect was legally carrying as required by the state legislature.
So in other words, "No".
They ascertained that the suspect was legally carrying as required by the state legislature.
They have to have probable cause to stop you.
Reasonable suspicion, actually.
They ascertained that the suspect was legally carrying as required by the state legislature.
The relevant langauge from IC 35-47-2-1(b)(2)(A) is "has the consent of the owner". It does not require a written document, or indeed, a physical artifact of consent in any fashion. The owner merely calling out to the police saying, "I gave him consent to carry in here." should have utterly short-circuited their JBTery.
Suspected guilty until proven innocent.
Next time I decide to open some mail... I'll be waiting for a LEO to slap handcuffs on me and demand my I.D. to prove its mine so he can be sure I'm not committing a federal offense.
Curious about the extent of "consent of the owner".
Does the fact that BW3 serves me food, and allows me to sit at their bar qualify as unspoken, understood consent?
Curious about the extent of "consent of the owner".
Does the fact that BW3 serves me food, and allows me to sit at their bar qualify as unspoken, understood consent?
While I would like that to be the case and maybe it would be if you decided to take the ride with silver bracelets on and take it to court. But I'm almost certain that as soon as the cops showed up the manager and staff would almost certainly turn on you and act like you just clubbed a baby seal in their establishment, and form a line to the door applauding the police for saving their lives as they drag you towards your ride to get an orange jumpsuit.
Ok I might have exaggerated a little, but I bet they wouldn't back you or I.
Someone in the know please correct me if I'm wrong. As I read current law, we are not required to have on our person our handgun permit. Just be liscenced to carry which they can check. Secondly I believe that the police have to have probable cause that you have or are comiting a crime to detain you. By carrying you are not committing a crime so they would need some sort of other suspicion of a crime. Not a lawyer here but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Well, the BW3 I go to... I'd bet the manager would step up and say "He's good." I mean, he's a bit young... but he's definitely pro-gun, pro-carry.
Someone in the know please correct me if I'm wrong. As I read current law, we are not required to have on our person our handgun permit. Just be liscenced to carry which they can check. Secondly I believe that the police have to have probable cause that you have or are comiting a crime to detain you. By carrying you are not committing a crime so they would need some sort of other suspicion of a crime. Not a lawyer here but I did stay at a Holiday Inn last night.
Which outcome is better? Having the officer look at the LTCH and say "Thanks, have a nice day, sorry to have bothered you." or the episode that played out in the video.
The public is watching. Many of us OC because we want our communities to get used to seeing it. We would like it to be treated as normal. Every time one of these guys turns a simple encounter into a scene, we may look at it and say "good for you, way to stand firm", but the people watching are seeing it differently. They see a radical with a gun, unwilling to cooperate with law enforcement, and ask why. The answer they end up at is not "because they were standing up for their rights".
My grandfather used to ask me "What do you hope to achieve by the action you are about to take?". Let's think about what we ultimately want to accomplish....
NavyVet said:Which outcome is better? Having the officer look at the LTCH and say "Thanks, have a nice day, sorry to have bothered you." or the episode that played out in the video.
Articulable - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster DictionaryNot a word. You lose.
I keep hearing the comparison of the LTCH and a drivers license. Have any of you been pulled over for a tail light out and refused to present your drivers license when asked?
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The public is watching. Many of us OC because we want our communities to get used to seeing it. We would like it to be treated as normal. Every time one of these guys turns a simple encounter into a scene, we may look at it and say "good for you, way to stand firm", but the people watching are seeing it differently. They see a radical with a gun, unwilling to cooperate with law enforcement, and ask why. The answer they end up at is not "because they were standing up for their rights".
My grandfather used to ask me "What do you hope to achieve by the action you are about to take?". Let's think about what we ultimately want to accomplish....