Who does not like Tactical Response/Yeager?

[WETSU]

Um, actually I did read them. No one fullfilled the OPs question. Lots of opinions, none based on their experience with Tactical Response. Period. .

 

[VERT]

So eight pages and not one person who has taken a class from Tactical Response, and specifically James Yeager, who hates him? Nobody? WTF?

I read this whole damn thread. Wasted ten minutes of my life that I will never get back. You guys suck with your lack of hatred.

But I want to hate him, I really do. I suppose I am going to have to try to go down to Camden and find out for myself if I hate him or not. Or maybe the Seymour PD will be kind enough to have TR up again.

 

[jeremy]

Um, actually I did read them. No one fullfilled the OPs question. Lots of opinions, none based on their experience with Tactical Response. Period. .

I will admit that I have never attended a TR class, probably never will either. Does that mean that I am not allowed to discuss the TTPs covered in the videos that are posted?!

I do not post my feelings about, nor my experiences with Mr. Yeager and our shared past here or elsewhere for that matter. I also do not appreciate what he has said about me in his youtube presentation. But what the hell dog I know, I'm just a dumb mechanic keyboard commando troll...

 

[repeter1977]

I will admit that I have never attended a TR class, probably never will either. Does that mean that I am not allowed to discuss the TTPs covered in the videos that are posted?!

I do not post my feelings about, nor my experiences with Mr. Yeager and our shared past here or elsewhere for that matter. I also do not appreciate what he has said about me in his youtube presentation. But what the hell dog I know, I'm just a dumb mechanic keyboard commando troll...

Man, that is an awesome title. so, being a mechanic, is being dumb an ASI, or is that just the general observation? Same with the Keyboard Commando Troll, is that your secondary MOS? Another ASI?

 

[jeremy]

Man, that is an awesome title. so, being a mechanic, is being dumb an ASI, or is that just the general observation? Same with the Keyboard Commando Troll, is that your secondary MOS? Another ASI?

Those are double super top secret ASIs...

Keep asking questions and they will be around to recondition your mind...

 

[repeter1977]

Those are double super top secret ASIs...

Keep asking questions and they will be around to recondition your mind...

Sorry, those were not the droids I was looking for.
On a serious note, its always good to see someone that is a mechanic just say they are a mechanic. Funny to go into the gun store and see all the special forces and everyone worked with the special forces, or infantry. Heck, just be proud of what you did. Im an MP, and know what I did. Granted, not all MPs have done what I have, but I know plenty that have done WAY more then I have. Also know plenty of dumb mechanics that did way more then just turn wrenches when push came to shove.

 

[ZX-14R]

I am still reading through this hilarious thread, but I will throw my unwanted .02 cents into the mix.

First of all, he OFFERS a money back guarantee to his students that were not 100% satisfied with the training if said person will stand in front of the entire class and explain to them and him why.

Second, I used to like Yeagers no-nonsense YouTube videos. I don't mind the cussing, the chambered weapons and the big eff you to the YouTube gun safety nazi's. I even happened to agree with his choice in handguns and his 1911's suck video, and I am a 1911 lover. Where he starts to go off the rails for me, and begins to lose credibility for being a "professional trainer" is when he starts calling out people on an internet video, because the person he is calling out "talked crap" on the INTERNET, hypocrisy much? Also when he constantly has to discuss his "haters" and disables comments and ratings on his videos.

I was actually researching and leaning toward taking his fighting pistol class, even picked up an extra 1,000 rounds of brass 9mm Magtech (believe me or not, I could care less), when I joined his forum and really learned what he is all about. James Yeager is about James Yeager. His forum is single handedly one of the most pathetically run, managed and designed discussion forums I have ever seen. Not to mention its one of the worst "good ole boys" clubs I have run into. This completely turned me off to having anything to do with ANYTHING JY touches.

He also claims that his business is booming, yet now he is running Billy Mays style infomercials on YouTube for TR for the "First 50 callers" and "for a limited time only" and "call right now, the phones are ringing off the hook", blah blah blah.

The real question, what does he bring to the table that Chris Costa or Travis Haley doesn't for nearly the same price other than a twitch, perpetual heartburn, and a **** poor attitude???? I will say this, and I am not sure this will make sense but: I do believe that Yeager is a good man, a decent person deep down. I can't quite put my finger on the exact reason why I get that impression. But I do know for sure that he is far to insecure, immature and sensitive to let that inner decency shine.

Guess none of this really matters since you left the forum, head back over to GetOffTheTool.com and enjoy yourself.

 

[Roadie]

Well, I'm assuming you meant this and aren't being sarcastic. If that's the case, I'm pretty much done here.




Well, I'm not trying to convince anyone who has their mind made up, I'm just asking how you guys can justify ragging on someone who you've never trained with.

But, I will tell you that Tactical Response has the most REALISTIC training I've ever had. Almost all other training has been far too static. Basically training you for what you DON'T do in a gunfight. Start moving around on the average range or operating around other people, doing 360 degree scans and the like and you'll probably be thrown off the range.

You can do a LOT of training without violating any of the 4 safety rules that most instructors will not let you do because they have some sort of other "range rules" restricting beneficial training.

Not bending over to pick something up on the firing line is a good example. Which of the 4 safety rules does this violate? What happens if you drop something in an actual gunfight--do you raise your hand and wait for the instructor fairy to show up?

Here's one that will cause you NRA-50-rounds-a-day-bullseye-"self-defense" instructors to go bezerk: Keep your weapon pointed down range. Where is down range in the real world? Where is downrange at the mall when you have a shooter on the loose? If you don't train to operate in a 360 degree environment safely, do you think you will just automatically perform this in an actual gunfight?

What about relying on an instructor to constantly tell you how many rounds to load in your weapon and how many to fire on the target at one time? That's a great idea. Condition guys to just fire 2 to the chest, 1 to the head and automatically return to the holster. If I had a dime for every time I had to break a student of that habit, Holland and Holland would have my measurements on file in their gun shop.

Going along with the above, is the "scan" that the average instructor teaches: a quick glance over each shoulder that accomplishes nothing. The average student is not practicing registering what he is seeing, he's just trying to hurry up and get back to the holster for the next drill.

As I progressed through training, I always had a problem with these things as being unrealistic but it wasn't until I found a school that addressed these issues and fixed them that I really started to grow as a student and instructor.

I also like the higher round count. And I'm not talking about just ballistic masturbation, I'm talking about building muscle memory and about really trying to get a technique down, not just doing a drill once or twice and then moving on.

I also like the fact that there is not an emphasis on gear, as long as the gear works. Function over form. Now, if you bring a $4,000 pistol and it doesn't make it to the end of the first day without breaking, be prepared to take some ribbing. All the students are thinking it, Yeager says it.

Add to the fact that lodging is free and you have a money back guarantee, how can you NOT think it's worth a shot to try it out?

But, frankly, the members of this forum's expertise is of no concern to me. I'm not trying to convince anyone, just answering the question.

I'm done with the thread. I was really hoping someone who didn't like him would have an opinion based on training with him. I have yet to hear from anyone that trained with them that did not think the training was exceptional.

(And I don't mean just the people on this forum. The opinions on this forum increasingly carry little weight as I see the pinnacle of intellectual discussion around here revolves around "Can I strap an AK on my back while I pick up some milk at Wal-Mart?")

Good luck, guys. Be safe. Shoot straight. You guys have beat me. I'm done with this forum.

You are done eh? Why do you keep coming back? You were just here a couple hours ago..

 

[Johnson]

At the risk of offending the OP, who I believe asked for people who have attended a Tactical Response but did not like it, I will chime in.

I have taken Tactical Response's Fighting Rifle and I thought it was a great class. In my class were a couple of police officers, a former Marine medic, an active duty Army sniper (just back from Afghanistan), a lady who had never shot a rifle before (no kidding) and a couple of Joes like me. Even though it was 100+ degrees on the range, everyone loved the class and got a lot of practical, useful training. Next to the FOF classes I've taken with Mindset Labs, its been the best value for my training dollar.

 

[printcraft]

You are done eh? Why do you keep coming back? You were just here a couple hours ago..

INGO sucks worse than a black hole..... you can never escape!!!!!

 

[VERT]

At the risk of offending the OP, who I believe asked for people who have attended a Tactical Response but did not like it, I will chime in.

I have taken Tactical Response's Fighting Rifle and I thought it was a great class. In my class were a couple of police officers, a former Marine medic, an active duty Army sniper (just back from Afghanistan), a lady who had never shot a rifle before (no kidding) and a couple of Joes like me. Even though it was 100+ degrees on the range, everyone loved the class and got a lot of practical, useful training. Next to the FOF classes I've taken with Mindset Labs, its been the best value for my training dollar.

Thank you for the feedback.

 

[Britton]

Got to say, this is about the most worthless thread I have ever seen on INGO.

 

[Lethgar]

Never taken a class. I like most of his videos. Only hear good things about him and TR from people who have actually attended. Not sure what all the fuss is about.

 

[smccabe17]

I have taken 3 of his classes when hosted in Seymour. First off I am not fond of his personality, but I thought the classes were amazing and very beneficial. I took fighting pistol twice and his Force on Force "The Fight". The fighting pistol class was my first class ever. It was very overwhelming because of never having pistol instruction before.

I went into the class with a 1911. Never had a problem with it before the class. During the class it stopped running. Way to much dirt getting into it. It had target sights on it, so my hand was bleeding from tap rack drills. He let me use his spare Glock 21 so I could finish. (After the class I went and sold it for a Glock 19, best decision ever). There was one moment where I was pissed off at an instructor because he kicked me to get me moving off the X. Not a hard kick, but a kick in the butt to get my butt moving. But I learned to move after that. It was what I needed, not what I liked. There is a lot of time spend on mindset, which is also amazing.

I took fighting pistol over again the next time it was in Seymour. There was so much info that I knew that I didn't get it all in. It was a great refresher course. I picked up on a lot that I didn't get the first time.

The same weekend as the Fighting pistol was their Force on Force class. I had already taken Mindset Lab's Intro class so I knew what I was getting into. Tactical Response's Force on Force class goes straight into it. There is a pre lecture on safety and what was going to happen, but no intro like Mindset Lab's. Two days of straight FoF is very intense.

I feel James and his instructors did a fabulous job. There never told you to do something for the sake of doing it. There was always a reason and they explained it to us.

I will continue to take more classes from Tactical Response and other instructors.

 

[irishfan]

Got to say, this is about the most worthless thread I have ever seen on INGO.

Why is that? Unless you don't like people speaking their minds about what they know with an instructor or class. From what I have gotten out of it is that the people who have actually attended a TR class think it is a very good class and they came away happy and better trained then before they attended. The only negative opinions from what I can tell are from people going by hearsay and internet videos with no first hand experience of their own.

Seems pretty informative to me

 

[Sailor]

I have taken 3 of his classes when hosted in Seymour. First off I am not fond of his personality, but I thought the classes were amazing and very beneficial. I took fighting pistol twice and his Force on Force "The Fight". The fighting pistol class was my first class ever. It was very overwhelming because of never having pistol instruction before.

I went into the class with a 1911. Never had a problem with it before the class. During the class it stopped running. Way to much dirt getting into it. It had target sights on it, so my hand was bleeding from tap rack drills. He let me use his spare Glock 21 so I could finish. (After the class I went and sold it for a Glock 19, best decision ever). There was one moment where I was pissed off at an instructor because he kicked me to get me moving off the X. Not a hard kick, but a kick in the butt to get my butt moving. But I learned to move after that. It was what I needed, not what I liked. There is a lot of time spend on mindset, which is also amazing.

I took fighting pistol over again the next time it was in Seymour. There was so much info that I knew that I didn't get it all in. It was a great refresher course. I picked up on a lot that I didn't get the first time.

The same weekend as the Fighting pistol was their Force on Force class. I had already taken Mindset Lab's Intro class so I knew what I was getting into. Tactical Response's Force on Force class goes straight into it. There is a pre lecture on safety and what was going to happen, but no intro like Mindset Lab's. Two days of straight FoF is very intense.

I feel James and his instructors did a fabulous job. There never told you to do something for the sake of doing it. There was always a reason and they explained it to us.

I will continue to take more classes from Tactical Response and other instructors.

Ditto here from the classes I have taken from TR.

 

[Rookie]

Got to say, this is about the most worthless thread I have ever seen on INGO.

You should check out the status update threads.

 

[printcraft]

You should check out the status update threads.

 

[jeremy]

Ditto here from the classes I have taken from TR.

Like you are a good bookmark to base off of....

 

[Sailor]

I have taken several classes, so in the scope of this thread my opinion should weigh more than yours.