Quit telling me a vote for a third party is a vote for Obama

[buckstopshere]

You can read about a machine gun shoot at knob creek or hear people talk about it or watch it in videos but until you've experienced it your appreciation of it is limited by your imagination. But that's okay, I felt exactly as you do when I was 34. No one fully appreciates other's experience until they have it themselves.

Edit: forgot to mention I'm 50ish.

I don't discount life experience. It's a very valuable learning tool and is the most influential in shaping ones personality.

What I don't care for is when someone with more life experience (gentle way of saying older ) dismisses those who didn't live through a specific period of time as not being able to understand it at all.

As bad as it was in the early 70s for the nation, believe me, it was that bad or worse for me growing up in the late 80s and 90s because of my personal situation at home. It's not the same but there are parallels that draw empathy and understanding.

The request for age rubbed me the wrong way as to me it was implied that if your under 50 you have no idea what your talking about. I'm used to it (district sales manager for fortune 50 company at 20, area manager at 25, director at 27) so I'm used to managing people twice my age but still sensitive to that "grow up kid" remarks.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

If you looked up disingenuous...this statement would be used as an example.

And if you looked up trolling you would see the above quote.

 

[SideArmed]

If there were a serious third party candidate that I could support that had a chance of defeating the candidate I despise I would vote for them..

So I will ask you, like I have many other people in this thread. You are OK with voting for someone whom you truly think is evil?

I was born in 76 and rarely heard any complaints from my parents about that time. Your experience wasn't everbodys. Why are your experiences any worse than those who couldn't find work in the last few years?

My vote this year isn't about my "emotions".

Same here. Except I was born in '77. My folks were doing quite well at that time, just bought their first home, a fixer upper south of chicago, and dad had a good job with GE. They even saved up enough to move to Florida in 1980.

But what do we know we are just dumb kids with our ideals and convictions we like to stick to. If we would just listen to our elders and bend over and take it then everything will be alright.

 

[jamil]

I guess this is perception also ..... I wont vote for Romney because i dont think he has a chance at beating Obama, so should i just vote for Obama?

I think Romney has a good chance against Obama. Independents & moderates have the biggest impact on elections. The extreme Left and Right will vote the way they vote and they mostly impact elections to the extent that they show up to pull the party lever. Independents (which I consider myself) largely supported Obama last election (I voted for McCain).

I think now that the national "hope" orgasm is over many of the Independents who voted for Obama have since awakened from their wet dream, and will won't vote for him again. Unless the economy miraculously improves, or he race guilts them into voting for him again.

One problem that makes Obama's election more likely is that many of the less pragmatically minded Righties will either not show up or will vote for a 3rd party candidate. But we still need them...all 4 or 5 percent of them to get it done.

 

[SemperFiUSMC]

So I will ask you, like I have many other people in this thread. You are OK with voting for someone whom you truly think is evil?

Nope. I am OK with voting for someone less than ideal to defeat someone that I think is truly evil.

 

[dom1104]

If my vote is so vital for Romney winning, then maybe he should try representing me. He has no desire to do so.

I like this.

 

[SideArmed]

Nope. I am OK with voting for someone less than ideal to defeat someone that I think is truly evil.

But you are ok voting for someone who you really don't think should be the president?

 

[Pocketman]

If my vote is so vital for Romney winning, then maybe he should try representing me. He has no desire to do so.

The surest way to influence a candidates policies is to vote for them regardless of how horrible those policies are. What's sad is that Romney's biggest cheerleaders here can't grasp that Romney couldn't care less about representing you because he's guaranteed to get your vote.

How do you know Romney doesn't represent you? Have your seen the daily Etch-a-Sketch?

 

[hornadylnl]

I think Romney has a good chance against Obama. Independents & moderates have the biggest impact on elections. The extreme Left and Right will vote the way they vote and they mostly impact elections to the extent that they show up to pull the party lever. Independents (which I consider myself) largely supported Obama last election (I voted for McCain).

I think now that the national "hope" orgasm is over many of the Independents who voted for Obama have since awakened from their wet dream, and will won't vote for him again. Unless the economy miraculously improves, or he race guilts them into voting for him again.

One problem that makes Obama's election more likely is that many of the less pragmatically minded Righties will either not show up or will vote for a 3rd party candidate. But we still need them...all 4 or 5 percent of them to get it done.

The republican party is catering to the independants and moderates and further abandoning libertarian principles. They're still entitled to my vote though, right?

 

[KG1]

But you are ok voting for someone who you really don't think should be the president?

There's another way to look at this too. Would you vote for a candidate that you know for all intent and purposes would not be elected just to make a statement therefore handing the election over to the most truly evil candidate?

Why chastise someone who is looking to make their vote count to try and stop the one who they feel is the most evil?

 

[hornadylnl]

No, you did not...it is a complete waste of time to make logical sense to this guy. He stirs the pot and just posts to incite riot.


My experiences were not to compare to anyone else's. Do you remember everything from being young. By 76 the wounds were healing and folks were moving on. Most everyone I knew was in financial trouble at that time. I am fully aware of the struggles some are having right now. You are a sound bite. You twist and turn and make no positive offering to any statement being made no matter how much sense it makes to the majority. No one told you to get on a bus or how to vote. Your mind is made up, vote the way you want but get the hell over yourself. End of rant..............again

Is carter to blame for the terrible economy of the 70's? I'm pretty sure that has been asserted here. If the wounds were healing by 76 and carter didn't step until January 77, I'm not sure how he was responsible.

I work at a factory that was hit very heavily by this last recession. We've had over 5000 employees in the past and less than 1000 in the first part of 2009. There were several layoff I missed by the skin of my teeth and recently spent 2 years explaining to my young daughter why I was never home during the evenings because I had the choice of nightshift or unemployment. I had sporadic 1-6 week layoffs. there was one point that my employer was literally within 48 hours of closing their doors.

You're right. I have a silver spoon in my mouth and no real world experience to base my opinion on.

 

[hornadylnl]

There's another way to look at this too. Would you vote for a candidate that you know for all intent and purposes would not be elected just to make a statement therefore handing the election over to the most truly evil candidate?

Why chastise someone who is looking to make their vote count to try and stop the one who they feel is the most evil?

You're right. Only one side here is chastising the other.

 

[shibumiseeker]

Why chastise someone who is looking to make their vote count to try and stop the one who they feel is the most evil?

I've been wondering that myself. I've said all along in this thread that anyone who wants to vote for Romney even when they acknowledge that he's not someone who represents them, should. I just want them to stop telling me I'm stupid for voting for the person who best represents me.

 

[ATM]

There's another way to look at this too. Would you vote for a candidate that you know for all intent and purposes would not be elected just to make a statement therefore handing the election over to the most truly evil candidate?

Yes, if I thought that statement was the only hope of ultimately breaking the establishment stranglehold on the process.

The subtle difference between the two candidates the establishment parties will give us does not warrant kicking the can down the road in the hope that either will correct the course they've chosen.

 

[KG1]

I've been wondering that myself. I've said all along in this thread that anyone who wants to vote for Romney even when they acknowledge that he's not someone who represents them, should. I just want them to stop telling me I'm stupid for voting for the person who best represents me.

I agree vote for whom ever you wish to for whatever reason. I would just like to also ad that Obama is the least of any candidate that represents me therefore the strategy I personally choose to employ with MY vote is the one to eliminate the candidate who least represents me and not just vote to make myself feel all warm and fuzzy inside which in the end I knew would probably insure a victory for the likely candidate that is absolutely the farthest from my views.

 

[SideArmed]

There's another way to look at this too. Would you vote for a candidate that you know for all intent and purposes would not be elected just to make a statement therefore handing the election over to the most truly evil candidate?

Why chastise someone who is looking to make their vote count to try and stop the one who they feel is the most evil?

Just trying to figure out the logic here, not chastising any one. Too many people walk around and say "I'm gonna vote for so and so" and when asked why, they are unable to aticulate a reason behind their choice. So by continually asking questions you are able to finally create inteligent conversation and find out why some one is going to vote the way they do. If some one is astute enough to educate themselves on the cadidates and make a well reasoned decision (even if it only makes sense to themselves) they are ahead of most voters out there.

I'll vote for the candidate that I feel should be president. it's one conviction that I have held on to since I became of voting age. I have never voted for a D or R presidential candidate simply based on the fact that I have never felt that the cadidates that have been put forth by either of those parties should be the President. Would I vote for one, sure. But I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, that just leaves you with evil no matter how you cut it.

My choices are not going to affect you, nor your's me.

 

[Wild Deuce]

Not going to read through all the posts. I've heard it all before. To the OP, when people tell me that a thrid party vote is a wasted vote, I just tell them that their vote for the "chosen" candidate is the wasted vote. I leave it at that. You can't force the blind to see and none are more blind than those who will not open their eyes.

 

[ATM]

...You can't force the blind to see and none are more blind than those who will not open their eyes.

 

[Pocketman]

There's another way to look at this too. Would you vote for a candidate that you know for all intent and purposes would not be elected just to make a statement therefore handing the election over to the most truly evil candidate?

Why chastise someone who is looking to make their vote count to try and stop the one who they feel is the most evil?

We may not like their policies, but despite all the rhetoric, most don't feel Obama or Romney are "evil." (Maybe Dick Cheney, but he isn't running.) Therefore, I cannot make a choice based upon who's the most or least evil.

One can easily make the point that Obama has not been a good leader. It is difficult though to convince many of us that Romney would be a better leader. His foreign policy alone troubles me. Regardless of which of the two get elected, little will change. A vote for Obama or Romney is a waste.

 

[KG1]

Just trying to figure out the logic here, not chastising any one. Too many people walk around and say "I'm gonna vote for so and so" and when asked why, they are unable to aticulate a reason behind their choice. So by continually asking questions you are able to finally create inteligent conversation and find out why some one is going to vote the way they do. If some one is astute enough to educate themselves on the cadidates and make a well reasoned decision (even if it only makes sense to themselves) they are ahead of most voters out there.

I'll vote for the candidate that I feel should be president. it's one conviction that I have held on to since I became of voting age. I have never voted for a D or R presidential candidate simply based on the fact that I have never felt that the cadidates that have been put forth by either of those parties should be the President. Would I vote for one, sure. But I refuse to vote for the lesser of two evils, that just leaves you with evil no matter how you cut it.

My choices are not going to affect you, nor your's me.

I respect your position but I just have a different approach and I have no problem posting my own personal voting strategy. Where I differ is as i've stated before about this lesser of two evils thing.

Sure I could choose the easy way out and vote for the perfect candidate that totally represents my views, that's a no brainer.

What I do have a problem with is reconciling that choice when in the end it still results in the candidate who I feel is the greater of two evils and is the absolute farthest away from my "perfect choice" getting elected.

If I can't get my perfect choice nominated then i'm still gonna do whatever I can to see that the candidate furthest from representing my views does not get elected.

That does not mean I will totally abandon any future efforts and stop trying to get the candidate that best represents my views the nomination.