I was ALMOST robbed today!

[Fullmag]

Better question: Also, why didn't you physically get in your car, and call the cops then? You said you were about to. Drawing was always taught to me as the last possible route before death, and I would have handed him everything except the gun that is my lifeline, while attempting to gather as many details as possible. He leaves with his swag, I leave with my life. Go back in the gas station call 911 with the description of my car, name, license, car contents, etc. I think we needed the expanded version.

Seriously though, Glad you are ok. Just trying to gain insight.

IMO, questions would that be asked if the incident would gone way south.

 

[Fullmag]

Thanks for answering me. You see, i've never been in such a situation, and when playing it out in my head, I'm never quite sure if it would be best to keep my finger off the trigger and only put it on the trigger when im ready for a bang. Or if i should put my finger on the trigger and be more ready.

as far as where its pointed, should one point it at the ground in the direction of the BG to get your point across, or do you go for broke aim for the chest and go from there.

.....I need to get some training

+100

 

[Armed & Christian]

It is a 9mm. Clips and Mags are the same thing if that is what you are referring to

Ummm.... No. Clips hold the case down by the rim. Magazines encase the entire cartridge. There is a difference.

 

[24Carat]

Did he respond to your verbal command or was it simultaneous with your presentation?

 

[G_Stines]

I didn't yet have my door open and what was i supposed to say "hold on while i get my door unlocked"? And i drew on him because he said "give me your money and i wont hurt you"... He said "hurt you" therefor it is a threat and there is no way in hell someone is going to threaten me and me not do something. He could have had a knife, gun, or some other weapon under his coat, so me drawing on him may have stopped him from hurting me.

Like I said. The expanded version. You say about to get in your car, I see door open, you say appears from from behind the building with no apparent weapon presant, I see your car parked off to the side rather than directly in front of the gas station, and at least 6 feet between you, including sidewalk because I see you standing next to a vehicle, door open. Attach the notion of no perceivable weapon, and I see the the option of getting in the car, calling 911, and if the guy had approached the car, drawing and proceeding from there. That was my perception.

And also, there is a huge legal difference between a threat, and feeling threatened. I am 5'9" and a 140 lbs, and yes, I could walk up to someone 6'4" and 300lb guy who's biceps are the size of my head and tell him that if he doesn't shut his mouth I will shut it for him, but just because I made the threat, doesn't mean that the gentleman in question feels threatened. I know if I was him, I wouldn't if there was no perceivable weapon.

It (my original post), and this one, are in no way meant to be aggressive in any manner. I'm really not trying to undermine or degrade your decision, just trying to comprehend the circumstances that surrounded it.

 

[jbrooks19]

I'm not even going to say anymore. You are obviously the expert. Not!

Ummm.... No. Clips hold the case down by the rim. Magazines encase the entire cartridge. There is a difference.

 

[Sylvain]

Thanks for answering me. You see, i've never been in such a situation, and when playing it out in my head, I'm never quite sure if it would be best to keep my finger off the trigger and only put it on the trigger when im ready for a bang. Or if i should put my finger on the trigger and be more ready.

as far as where its pointed, should one point it at the ground in the direction of the BG to get your point across, or do you go for broke aim for the chest and go from there.

.....I need to get some training

I would keep my finger off the trigger until I want to actually shoot.
It takes very little time to reach the trigger and you dont get "more ready" by having your finger on the trigger.
You dont want to shoot by accident, either your attacker or someone around you.
Just like the OP said he was shaking and could have fired his gun by accident.
That's why I think training is important and among that trigger discipline.

 

[jbrooks19]

He didn't really make a noise or say anything other than "whoa" then he turned and ran

Did he respond to your verbal command or was it simultaneous with your presentation?

 

[shibumiseeker]

The first and only time thus far I have drawn my gun on another person left me questioning my actions for a long time afterwards and was the impetus for getting training. It was the second time in my life that I drew a weapon on another person, the first time was a broken bottle I smashed when someone tried to mug me on my paper route, and that ended with no one getting hurt either.

Now I see that I would have had a difficult time justifying my actions, not because they weren't justified, but because the situation would have made it very circumstantial and would have left me in a difficult situation trying to prove what I did was justified (none of this is a critique of the OP, just my own musings on my situation.)

In some ways now I know it would be easier and more difficult to draw. Easier because I have a much better idea of how and when I can use deadly force. Harder because I also have a much better idea of the aftermath if I do.

Glad you are ok and didn't have to go through it, though it's too bad the bad guy is free to look for easier victims.

 

[Jenel]

Like I said. The expanded version. You say about to get in your car, I see door open, you say appears from from behind the building with no apparent weapon presant, I see your car parked off to the side rather than directly in front of the gas station, and at least 6 feet between you, including sidewalk because I see you standing next to a vehicle, door open. Attach the notion of no perceivable weapon, and I see the the option of getting in the car, calling 911, and if the guy had approached the car, drawing and proceeding from there. That was my perception.

And also, there is a huge legal difference between a threat, and feeling threatened. I am 5'9" and a 140 lbs, and yes, I could walk up to someone 6'4" and 300lb guy who's biceps are the size of my head and tell him that if he doesn't shut his mouth I will shut it for him, but just because I made the threat, doesn't mean that the gentleman in question feels threatened. I know if I was him, I wouldn't if there was no perceivable weapon.

It (my original post), and this one, are in no way meant to be aggressive in any manner. I'm really not trying to undermine or degrade your decision, just trying to comprehend the circumstances that surrounded it.

You saying your gonna shut someones mouth is in no way the same as someone demanding your property at the threat of personal harm.

 

[G_Stines]

You saying your gonna shut someones mouth is in no way the same as someone demanding your property at the threat of personal harm.

Never said it was, but the notion of a threat and the feeling of threatened are two different animals. It was an exaggerated example to convey my point.

 

[24Carat]

He didn't really make a noise or say anything other than "whoa" then he turned and ran

No, I mean did he react to your command in any way, hesitation, confused look, change his pace prior to you drawing on him or did you make your command simultaneous to presenting and pointing at him?

 

[Jenel]

Never said it was, but the notion of a threat and the feeling of threatened are two different animals. It was an exaggerated example to convey my point.

You can play devils advocate all you want. This man was well within his rights. I think most of us would have done the same thing.

 

[ckcollins2003]

Today in Logansport i was at the gas station, just went in for a coke.. I came out and as i was about to get in my car a guy walked out from behind the gas station and said "Give me your money and i wont hurt you"......
I was thinking who does this douche bag think he is?............... So i instantly drew my Glock out and yelled step back, his eyes got HUGE and he backed up, as soon as i got my phone out to call the police he took off running.. Glad i had my Glock!!!!

I think you done a good job. Trigger on the finger and all. The rule of thumb is, "keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire", in this case you were ready to fire if your life depended on it. As you should in any threatening situation and someone trying to rob you is definitely a threatening situation.

Size doesn't matter. It's the willpower of the person that matters the most. One guy (G Stines) says he wouldn't feel threatened because the other person didn't show a weapon. The fact of the matter is that he may have had one, just not out at the time. Had I been in the situation I hope I wouldn't have done it any differently than the OP. He was able and willing to defend himself and his property. If some of you want to carry a weapon for the "good looks" then so be it. Just remember, if you're willing to let them get close enough to take your wallet then they are close enough to take your gun and most importantly, your life.

6 ft of space is covered in 1 step and a thrust with a knife. If you really think such a small amount of space is going to save your life then you obviously need more realistic training than shooting at a known distance at a still target.

 

[down3green]

I do agree that the finger on the trigger may not have been the best option but you can't do everything perfect in this situation.

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I think it was a good choice. If it was shaking so bad you might "accidentally" shoot, it's just as likely you wouldn't have been able to find the trigger if you "needed" to shoot.

I doubt it was shaking that bad anyway, since you obviously were able to maintain control.

Also, I sure don't get the idea of hopping in your car and calling the police. You'd be giving up every advantage you had, and subject to the whim of the robber. I think drawing, standing your ground, pointing the weapon, and using your command voice are what kept you safe.

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[24Carat]

I think you done a good job. Trigger on the finger and all. The rule of thumb is, "keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to fire", in this case you were ready to fire if your life depended on it. As you should in any threatening situation and someone trying to rob you is definitely a threatening situation.

Size doesn't matter. It's the willpower of the person that matters the most. One guy says he wouldn't feel threatened because the other person didn't show a weapon. The fact of the matter is that he may have had one, just not out at the time. Had I been in the situation I hope I wouldn't have done it any differently than the OP. He was able and willing to defend himself and his property. If some of you want to carry a weapon for the "good looks" then so be it. Just remember, if you're willing to let them get close enough to take your wallet then they are close enough to take your gun and most importantly, your life.

6 ft of space is covered in 1 step and a thrust with a knife. If you really think such a small amount of space is going to save your life then you obviously need more realistic training than shooting at a known distance at a still target.

^^^ This is my take also.

 

[fullmetaljesus]

I would keep my finger off the trigger until I want to actually shoot.
It takes very little time to reach the trigger and you dont get "more ready" by having your finger on the trigger.
You dont want to shoot by accident, either your attacker or someone around you.
Just like the OP said he was shaking and could have fired his gun by accident.
That's why I think training is important and among that trigger discipline.

That was my logical reasoning, it can't be that much different finger on or off as far as time needed to pull the trigger. But i am inexperienced and new. Which is why i ask questions.

 

[jbrooks19]

Have you actually tried drawing your gun in a car????? OMG it is extremely hard and cannot be done very fast!

The choices i made were justified and i did nothing wrong. People who carry a gun and aren't prepared to draw on someone trying to rob them should never be allowed to carry a gun because it is pointless.. I was not about to be one of those horror stories were someone was robbed then killed. It is much better to draw when unneeded then not to draw and then need it when it's to late.

 

[shibumiseeker]

That was my logical reasoning, it can't be that much different finger on or off as far as time needed to pull the trigger. But i am inexperienced and new. Which is why i ask questions.

And it's why you should get training with a professional.

Your fine motor control goes to hell under the influence of adrenaline, and it's an issue that training addresses. I'm not going to tell you what you should do regarding how to draw and use your weapon, there's plenty of guys on the internet who have never had any training who are happy to do that.

 

[Bunnykid68]

Good job. Handles just fine I think.

Itś a magazine not a clip