Why "Open Carry" when you can carry concealed?

[sj kahr k40]

here is a link April 5th.. Unarmed gas station clerk shot. Kentucky.. not far from home ey? I could pull news stories all day of unarmed people getting shot but criminals..

FOX 56 Lexington :: Newsroom - Top Stories - Gas Station Clerk Shot During Robbery

Find some where visible armed clerks get shot!

 

[IUBrink]

I do not think open carrying is a good idea at all.. In any situation the element of surprise is the best thing to have on your side.. And as far as those statistics go, about gas station robbers not killing anyone?? LMAO Criminals have no concern for innocent life. Unarmed people die everyday in robberies and what not. You would be ridiculous to think an armed robber would not hurt you.. (and likely to be the guy who gets hurt due to under estimating the stupidity and non caring nature of a criminal)

Pure wisdom. Prepare the flame suit for butthurtedness.

 

[sj kahr k40]

Do you guys think you have the element of surprise when someone has a gun out and in your face? I've been in that situation and believe me you have no element of surprise!

 

[IUBrink]

Since the guy OCing gets shot first I'm sure there are news stories about this everywhere on the net, how about some of you that believe that BS find some.

I'll wait, it's such a common thing I'm sure it won't take long!

It's cute how you think it isn't possible yet the logic is perfectly strong and seems to be brought up more often than not.

Do you guys think you have the element of surprise when someone has a gun out and in your face? I've been in that situation and believe me you have no element of surprise!

Also great that your comprehension of the 'element of surprise' is in the negative. Your element of surprise with OC is nothing more than keeping it hidden from the BG. Which means you are going to do your best to keep it hidden from that guy while you are looking for the perfect shot...that is if he didn't already blow a hole in the back of your head because you didn't know he knew you were OC'ing.

 

[sj kahr k40]

It's cute how you think it isn't possible yet the logic is perfectly strong and seems to be brought up more often than not.

It's possible but when has it happened? It's possible that I'll win the next Ten Powerballs but highly unlikely!

Simple task, prove that it has happened!

It's logical for law abiding people but criminals are cowards for the most part and not logical.

 

[Benny]

It's cute how you think it isn't possible yet the logic is perfectly strong and seems to be brought up more often than not.

All he's asking for are examples.

I'll be waiting for them too.

 

[loony1]

 

[IUBrink]

It's possible but when has it happened? It's possible that I'll win the next Ten Powerballs but highly unlikely!

Simple task, prove that it has happened!

Your not in the position to ask for proof, you're in the position to get inside the mind of a criminal and prepare yourself. If you don't feel the need to lay out the possibilities I'm more than happy to take donations and be added to the wills of those who chose to OC and not understand their risks.

It's logical for law abiding people but criminals are cowards for the most part and not logical.

Psychopaths and sociopaths have IQs that double the average Americans, their logic is spot on to the point of where you thought your mind was being read by them completely. How is that not logical? Your only worry now is "how often does a psycho/socio have a gun?"

 

[ATM]

It happens all the time

...in the movies.

The shot first/element of surprise guys would probably have more fun in the other thread I already suggested.

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...lf_defense/37307-common_oc_cc_threadjack.html

 

[sj kahr k40]

Your not in the position to ask for proof, you're in the position to get inside the mind of a criminal and prepare yourself. If you don't feel the need to lay out the possibilities I'm more than happy to take donations and be added to the wills of those who chose to OC and not understand their risks.

So basically you can't find where this has happened, by the way you know nothing about me, maybe I think like a criminal for a very good reason!

 

[sj kahr k40]

It's cute how you think it isn't possible yet the logic is perfectly strong and seems to be brought up more often than not.



Also great that your comprehension of the 'element of surprise' is in the negative. Your element of surprise with OC is nothing more than keeping it hidden from the BG. Which means you are going to do your best to keep it hidden from that guy while you are looking for the perfect shot...that is if he didn't already blow a hole in the back of your head because you didn't know he knew you were OC'ing.

It's not about element of surprise when you OC it's about deterrence, something you fail to understand, just one example of it happening, that's all I'd like to see!

 

[usaguy2006]

I don't think there is a right or wrong here.. Lets all be open minded enough to realize and admit that either way could be the right way....

If someone were to rob a place though or enter a place planning to rob it.. And they saw you with a gun on your hip... You dont think they would A. Take it from you.. or B. pop ya

Heres where the argument comes in.. option C. leave and go elsewhere..

Option C would stand for the argument that open carry deters robbery.

But if the weapon is hid.. the robber will order all bystanders to a corner or on to the ground.. when he goes for the cash, this is your time to pull it.. His gun should not be in your face if you are just a bystander should it? I would think his concentration would be on the register or money or something...

 

[IUBrink]

So basically you can't find where this has happened, by the way you know nothing about me, maybe I think like a criminal for a very good reason!

I certainly haven't searched because it won't help me out any. I sure hope for our sakes that you've taken the time to think like a criminal.

I don't think there is a right or wrong here.. Lets all be open minded enough to realize and admit that either way could be the right way....

If someone were to rob a place though or enter a place planning to rob it.. And they saw you with a gun on your hip... You dont think they would A. Take it from you.. or B. pop ya
Option C would stand for the argument that open carry deters robbery.

But if the weapon is hid.. the robber will order all bystanders to a corner or on to the ground.. when he goes for the cash, this is your time to pull it.. His gun should not be in your face if you are just a bystander should it? I would think his concentration would be on the register or money or something...

I agree. He COULD always kill the CC'er first, but his reasoning wouldn't be because he knew you had a gun.

 

[sj kahr k40]

I certainly haven't searched because it won't help me out any. I sure hope for our sakes that you've taken the time to think like a criminal.

Since you don't understand what an example is here's one tha proves OC deters crime

Open carry deters armed robbery in Kennesaw - Atlanta gun rights | Examiner.com

Just one example that prove your theory, because that's what it is!

 

[usaguy2006]

Today's TMJ4 - Local News - Video - Man Legally Carrying Gun Robbed at Gunpoint


Here is a link to a guy who got robbed with his own gun.. He even admits (according to the reporter) that the robber targeted him because he was open carrying..

 

[IUBrink]

Since you don't understand what an example is here's one tha proves OC deters crime

Open carry deters armed robbery in Kennesaw - Atlanta gun rights | Examiner.com

Just one example that prove your theory, because that's what it is!

Go read my first post in this thread. It states that deterrence is useful. I'm not here to bash OC, I'm here to bash ignorance in thinking that just because you OC...you instantly turn into a god and you can't be shot first.

I will not rub it in your face that USAGuy found a video, but choose your words wisely when wanting to say something like "IT CANT BE FOUND, NOPE, NEVER HAPPENED", because it's hard to take it back.

 

[sj kahr k40]

I don't think there is a right or wrong here.. Lets all be open minded enough to realize and admit that either way could be the right way....

If someone were to rob a place though or enter a place planning to rob it.. And they saw you with a gun on your hip... You dont think they would A. Take it from you.. or B. pop ya

Heres where the argument comes in.. option C. leave and go elsewhere..

Option C would stand for the argument that open carry deters robbery.

But if the weapon is hid.. the robber will order all bystanders to a corner or on to the ground.. when he goes for the cash, this is your time to pull it.. His gun should not be in your face if you are just a bystander should it? I would think
his concentration would be on the register or money or something...

So basically you WANT to kill someone, that's what the prosecutor will say in court if you ever have to use your weapon!

I choose option C, maybe if a criminal see enough OCers they will find a different line of work.

 

[sj kahr k40]

Go read my first post in this thread. It states that deterrence is useful. I'm not here to bash OC, I'm here to bash ignorance in thinking that just because you OC...you instantly turn into a god and you can't be shot first.

Where did anyone say that?

 

[ATM]

I don't think there is a right or wrong here...

Correct. But there are strong reasons and weak reasons.

The weak ones are by far the most popular.

 

[rugertoter]

Man, this debate goes on on all the forums don't it?