McDonald vs. City of Chicago

[chrisheacock]

I think you have to start somewhere.

Incorporation of the second amendment *could* allow for a new judgement related to some of the BATFE regs that are currently in force largely due to the lack of challenge.

It would take some serious effort (just as the Heller and McDonald cases did), but it's possible that the MG ban could be ruled unconstitutional in it's current form as an outright ban.

That doesn't mean that fees/licenses won't come into play, but either way, baby steps are still steps!

 

[samot]

Victory !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/09pdf/08-1521.pdf

 

[downzero]

Mark my words. Justice Thomas will not join any opinion that incorporates under Substantive Due Process. He may concur in judgment but will not join the analysis.

I just wanted to point out that this prediction came true today.

 

[Expat]

Some minor analysis of the case here.

and here.

 

[boozoo]

So let's start the countdown for the parade of pro-2A lawsuits that are about to come out.... I never thought I'd be happy to see a parade of lawsuits before?

 

[Bill of Rights]

I think you have to start somewhere.

Incorporation of the second amendment *could* allow for a new judgement related to some of the BATFE regs that are currently in force largely due to the lack of challenge.

It would take some serious effort (just as the Heller and McDonald cases did), but it's possible that the MG ban could be ruled unconstitutional in it's current form as an outright ban.

That doesn't mean that fees/licenses won't come into play, but either way, baby steps are still steps!

Nope. MGs are not at all banned; several INGO members own some. There are restrictive taxes and the price due to supply and demand is astronomical, but they are not banned. The very fact that some who own them do so as an investment means that those very people will likely argue vigorously against anything that would diminish the value of their investments. Sadly enough, that "ban" is likely going nowhere.

Blessings,
Bill

 

[CarmelHP]

I liked how Scalia openly mocked Stevens in his concurrence.

 

[Fletch]

I liked how Scalia openly mocked Stevens in his concurrence.

I haven't read this one yet, but I remember him doing the same thing in Heller.

 

[SSGSAD]

At 4:05 pm, I recieved an E mail, from Rush, stating the S C supports the 2 A, 5-4... I have recieved nothing from the NRA, or anyone else, I subscribe to...

 

[pjcalla]

Surprise, surprise.

Daley Vows New Gun Ordinances | NBC Chicago

 

[mrjarrell]

At 4:05 pm, I recieved an E mail, from Rush, stating the S C supports the 2 A, 5-4... I have recieved nothing from the NRA, or anyone else, I subscribe to...

Oh, be sure that the NRA will be out there soon enough crowing about their great victory and how they've done a great thing for gun owners, despite the fact that it was Alan Gura that did the work.

 

[CarmelHP]

Surprise, surprise.

Daley Vows New Gun Ordinances | NBC Chicago

"As a city we must continue to stand up ..and fight for a ban on assault weapons .. as well as a crackdown on gun shops," Daley said. "We are a country of laws not a nation of guns."

Source: Daley Vows New Gun Ordinances | NBC Chicago
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How did he avoid having lighting strike his hypocritical, lying, ignorant ass?

 

[Expat]

How did he avoid having lighting strike his hypocritical, lying, ignorant ass?

Selling your soul to the devil and being friends of the antichrist must give some protection in this world

 

[lashicoN]

Nope. MGs are not at all banned; several INGO members own some. There are restrictive taxes and the price due to supply and demand is astronomical, but they are not banned. The very fact that some who own them do so as an investment means that those very people will likely argue vigorously against anything that would diminish the value of their investments. Sadly enough, that "ban" is likely going nowhere.

Blessings,
Bill

Isn't there a ban on manufacturing machine guns after 1986? Perhaps that was the "MG ban" he was talking about being unconstitutional.

 

[downzero]

Isn't there a ban on manufacturing machine guns after 1986? Perhaps that was the "MG ban" he was talking about being unconstitutional.

Nope. A licensed manufacturer can make machine guns all day long.

 

[Scutter01]

The Hughes Amendment (the machine gun ban) is already questionable at best, having been declared passed by the Speaker, despite the record clearly showing that it was defeated by a margin of more than 2-1.

 

[downzero]

The Hughes Amendment (the machine gun ban) is already questionable at best, having been declared passed Speaker, despite the record clearly showing that it was defeated by a margin of more than 2-1.

Court isn't going to involve itself in political questions like that one, you can bet on it--they've been avoiding such questions for centuries.

 

[jbombelli]

Nope. A licensed manufacturer can make machine guns all day long.

Yup. They just can't be transfered to civilians if they were made after the cutoff in 1986. The ATF is prohibited from adding them to the NFA registry.

That's what I was talking about. I guess, technically, the NFA registry was closed to new machine guns in May of '86. They aren't technically "banned", they just can't be transfered or registered, and I'm sure you know what happens if you're caught in possession of an unregistered machine gun? Just ask the David Koresh. They did all that over a $200.00 tax they refuse to allow someone to pay.

 

[Suprtek]

I know this has been mentioned already but it cannot be overstated how scary it is that four votes were cast by SCOTUS to pretty much eliminate the 2A. This is a victory. But it's just one battle. The war is far from over.

 

[downzero]

Just ask the David Koresh. They did all that over a $200.00 tax they refuse to allow someone to pay.

Do you know of any evidence that Koresh had an unregistered machine gun?

I'm legitimately asking, because I haven't ever seen any, although I'm aware of the allegations.