Wow, just wow

[Arthur Dent]

For those of you who may be jumping to conclusions...

I am not a socialist.

I don't want your guns.

I don't want the government to take my guns.

I don't vote for people who want the government to take my guns. (Speaking of which, WRT this year's General Election, have all of you either voted or are you planning to vote? I have.)

I don't have any genius ideas about what an acceptable gun control compromise might look like. I do know that gun control will probably continue to be a "hot button" item in U.S. politics...on both sides of the debate. IOW, the gun control lobby isn't going to go away.

And, for the mods, it was not my intent to "troll" this thread. Sorry for the disruption.

Now, back to counting bullets.

I'm merely curious what you mean by "compromise." In a compromise both sides give a little to get a little. The only compromise on gun control is that we have been giving and receiving nothing.

 

[bb37]

In a compromise both sides give a little to get a little. The only compromise on gun control is that we have been giving and receiving nothing.

Is filling out an ATF Form 4473 every time you purchase a gun at retail a compromise? Is the requirement for an ATF Form 4 to purchase a suppressor or machine gun a compromise? What about the folks who live in states (outside of Indiana, thankfully) where mags that will hold more than 10 rounds are not allowed--is that a compromise? Speaking of Indiana, is the LTCH a compromise?

See, we are already compromising.

 

[churchmouse]

Is filling out an ATF Form 4473 every time you purchase a gun at retail a compromise? Is the requirement for an ATF Form 4 to purchase a suppressor or machine gun a compromise? What about the folks who live in states (outside of Indiana, thankfully) where mags that will hold more than 10 rounds are not allowed--is that a compromise? Speaking of Indiana, is the LTCH a compromise?

See, we are already compromising.

A lot more than some will admit.

I am tired of the "C" word on any subject.

 

[ATM]

See, we are already compromising.

No, negotiating a compromise is a voluntary action of trade, a peaceful interaction by nature. What you described are infringements imposed upon us by threat of force.

A position can be 'compromised' simply by being overrun. The people did not cede those positions, they was wrested away with aggression.

Are you truly unable to note this distinction?

 

[oldpink]

It's almost as if Mr. 140 2.0 had emerged.

 

[Arthur Dent]

Is filling out an ATF Form 4473 every time you purchase a gun at retail a compromise? Is the requirement for an ATF Form 4 to purchase a suppressor or machine gun a compromise? What about the folks who live in states (outside of Indiana, thankfully) where mags that will hold more than 10 rounds are not allowed--is that a compromise? Speaking of Indiana, is the LTCH a compromise?

See, we are already compromising.

Those are not compromises. Those are things that were forced on us by the government. The gun grabbers are trying to pawn off their gun control agenda as a "compromise" that we must make. In these so-called compromises we have not gotten anything in return.

 

[bb37]

Those are not compromises. Those are things that were forced on us by the government.

I see your point.

 

[Hop]

If you want to see how the left compromises just look at the last round of gun control laws they attempted to pass; no fly lists. A secret list that prevents purchasing a firearm. The "compromised" counter amendment from the right was to allow the secret list but provide a way to get off of it (still an infringement IMO).

Iirc, nearly every Democrat was unwilling to compromise and went crying to their Praetorian guard media about how the Republicans want terrorists to be able to buy guns. The media further portrayed the Republicans as the bad guys saying "the Republican Congress voted down 6 gun control laws."

The left doesn't want compromise, they want it all and they will lie to make the right look bad when they don't get their way.

 

[churchmouse]

Those are not compromises. Those are things that were forced on us by the government. The gun grabbers are trying to pawn off their gun control agenda as a "compromise" that we must make. In these so-called compromises we have not gotten anything in return.

Not even a reach around.This is all one sided (theirs) Bravo Sierra.

 

[Doublehelix]

The left doesn't want compromise, they want it all and they will lie to make the right look bad when they don't get their way.

^^^This!^^^

One thing I will agree upon is that this is *not* going away any time soon. It seems at times that we keep plugging holes in the dam with our fingers and the Left keeps poking more holes in the dam.

If Trump gets elected, we have a temporary reprieve. TEMPORARY. The idiots and the liberal media are not going to give up and will continue to demonize us until they get their way... 100%.

With the statistics showing record gun buying by the masses, how is it that they can continue to push their agendas without end?

 

[churchmouse]

^^^This!^^^

One thing I will agree upon is that this is *not* going away any time soon. It seems at times that we keep plugging holes in the dam with our fingers and the Left keeps poking more holes in the dam.

If Trump gets elected, we have a temporary reprieve. TEMPORARY. The idiots and the liberal media are not going to give up and will continue to demonize us until they get their way... 100%.

With the statistics showing record gun buying by the masses, how is it that they can continue to push their agendas without end?

Ego maniacs. They are smarter than "Joe" gun owner.

 

[Hopper]

The left doesn't want compromise, they want it all and they will lie to make the right look bad when they don't get their way.

I very much agree with this. Compromise involves giving something up, and gaining something of similar/equal value in return. What the left calls "compromise" is really extortion, and not even with any lipstick on it.

Compromise and Extortion are NOT the same thing.

 

[ATM]

...If Trump gets elected, we have a temporary reprieve. TEMPORARY...

Negative. There is no reprieve from the burdens of defending and reclaiming essential Liberty; we can't abdicate our way to a vacation from its maintenance by filling any position with any certain person.

 

[churchmouse]

Negative. There is no reprieve from the burdens of defending and reclaiming essential Liberty; we can't abdicate our way to a vacation from its maintenance by filling any position with any certain person.

This is what has been lost on the masses. We as a group have become complacent and even lazy when it comes to standing our ground.

I will admit to my part in this.

 

[rhino]

Our country was built on compromise. The founding fathers understood the art of compromise. If they had not compromised, our Constitution and, possibly, our country, would not exist in its current form.

Sadly, we have lost our understanding of compromise. Everyone seems to believe "it's my way or the highway"...on both sides of the argument. Ad infinitum.

Compromise is only possible when the opposing sides have compatible principles and all approach the negotiation in good faith. That is virtually never true in Washington D.C.

Abandoning core principles for the sake of a "compromise" or for political expediency is unethical, immoral, and wrong. Furthermore, it almost always makes a bad situation worse.

 

[Doublehelix]

Negative. There is no reprieve from the burdens of defending and reclaiming essential Liberty; we can't abdicate our way to a vacation from its maintenance by filling any position with any certain person.

You quoted me out of context, because my whole point was that we *CAN'T* let up. We are in total agreement.

 

[ATM]

You quoted me out of context, because my whole point was that we *CAN'T* let up. We are in total agreement.

Outstanding.

I just didn't want folks granting a greater level of importance to whichever clown wins the throne this time than they actually deserve.

Let that little clown run their little executive branch as designed and stay clear of the daily affairs of the citizenry.

We'll do the heavy lifting, and the fed can... I don't know... deliver the mail or something.

 

[Doublehelix]

Outstanding.

Let that little clown run their little executive branch as designed and stay clear of the daily affairs of the citizenry.

We'll do the heavy lifting, and the fed can... I don't know... deliver the mail or something.

Ha! Not sure they can even accomplish that at this point!

 

[Greyson]

The office of the President is primarily to represent the United States in foreign affairs. Most of the day to day stuff is left to the States.

Times sure have changed.

 

[ATM]

This is what has been lost on the masses. We as a group have become complacent and even lazy when it comes to standing our ground.

I will admit to my part in this.

Are we ready to learn how to stand our ground?

Have we figured out the true nature of the ground we must stand upon to prevail?

I dropped a few clues in this thread, but the entire framework exists in another.