hookedonjeep
Expert
Fellow bretheren on INGO:
I submit this question to you - was I too harsh in dealing with this person?
Here is the back story - I saw an ad for a 4x4 winter beater on Craigslist, by the description it didn't seem to be in that bad of shape. The poster stated that he was getting rid of it because he lost his license, and could not get it back until spring - but had bought this rig expecting to be able to title and license it this winter. As such, he had a low price on it, and I inquired about trading for my Ruger P89DC with 3 mags and a holster. Below is the complete transcript of our conversations thus far.....
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Subject: 4x4 trade
To: jnmfendrick@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:44 PM
i wold have to see a recept with matching numbers, and if it checks out then yes, i would trade.
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Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:23:37 PM
Subject: Re: 4x4 trade
Where is the Jimmy at? Could I look at it? Do you have a LTCH?
Please advise.
Thanks!
Jason
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Subject: Re: 4x4 trade
To: "Jason Fendrick" <jnmfendrick@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 6:03 PM
Not sure what LTCH stand for, and I `m not sure I want any one with a gun knowing where I live, you never answer about the recept matching the numbers? I`m not saying any thing bad about you, Its just you hear about bad thing that happen to people when dealing with online sales.
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(name removed for annonimity);
I know how you feel about the uncertainty of online sales. I have done a few online sales and / or trades, and I go into every one of them wondering what sort of person I am REALLY dealing with.
To answer your questions:
1. As for a reciept with matching numbers - I received the Ruger on a trade deal with a guy from east of Elkhart, and as such, all I have is a Bill of Sale - that matches the serial number of the gun.
2. The reason that I asked you if you had a LTCH (License To Carry a Handgun), is that when you are selling / trading a gun in the state of Indiana, it is important to observe the basic laws pertaining to ownership / transport of a handgun: If you wish to carry a handgun, other than from the purchase point of a gunshop to home; you are required by the State of Indiana to have a LTCH - which is issued by the state, only after an extensive and thorough background check (to ensure that you are of legal age, not a convicted felon, nor a person who is mentally unstable). If, during the time that you hold a LTCH, you are convicted of a Felony, you must surrender that License. My asking if you have one covers both parties involved in regards to the laws about traveling with a gun - only those that have been proven to be law-abiding citizens can do so. I cannot in good conscience hand a gun over to someone that I may have reason to believe should not have one in the first place. SO, with your statement about NOT knowing what a LTCH is, it implies that you have never obtained one, and therefore do not currently hold one. I am not saying anything bad about you either; but, without a LTCH, I have no REAL way of knowing that you are of legal age, not a convicted felon, nor a mentally unstable person.
3. As for worrying about someone with a gun knowing where you live....... all I can say to you, sir, is that there are people with guns EVERYWHERE. The ones that you REALLY need to worry about are not the ones that choose to abide by the laws of this great state (regardless of how little sense they make); instead, you need to worry more about the thugs, gang-bangers, drug dealers, and general miscreants that would do you harm for no other reason that a quick profit or simple pleasure. Myself, I carry a handgun with me everwhere I go, because in order to protect my family, my property, and yes, even the innocent people in my vicinity - I accept that I must do so. I accept that I cannot rely on the police to save my family from harm - it is not their job - and it is unrealistic to expect the police to be with me every second of the day. I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
I thank you for your time in this matter, and I wish you the best of luck in the future. I would recommend to you, if you intend to carry a handgun, to go to the local police department, and apply for your LTCH. It takes just a few moments of your time, and some ink on your fingers, a little bit of money, and the process is started. After a few weeks, the local and state police having checked your background and found no reason to disqualify you from carrying a handgun, a License To Carry a Handgun will come to you via regular mail, and you will be good to go. It seems like a lot, but really it is not. Should you get arrested for something, and have a handgun on your person or in your vehicle - without having that License, the penalties can be severe.
Take care, and if you have any other questions pertaining to ownership of guns in the great State of Indiana - check out www.ingunowners.com - there are a lot of good people on there that can help.
Sincerely,
Jason Fendrick
Elkhart
After I sent the reply, I got to thinking about it, and thought that perhaps, maybe, just a bit...... I was a smart-arse. I know I have that tendency, a little.....
Sorry for the long read - I just wanted to see if I was a bit harsh with the guy.
Thanks!
I submit this question to you - was I too harsh in dealing with this person?
Here is the back story - I saw an ad for a 4x4 winter beater on Craigslist, by the description it didn't seem to be in that bad of shape. The poster stated that he was getting rid of it because he lost his license, and could not get it back until spring - but had bought this rig expecting to be able to title and license it this winter. As such, he had a low price on it, and I inquired about trading for my Ruger P89DC with 3 mags and a holster. Below is the complete transcript of our conversations thus far.....
_______________________________________________________________
Subject: 4x4 trade
To: jnmfendrick@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, September 30, 2009, 8:44 PM
i wold have to see a recept with matching numbers, and if it checks out then yes, i would trade.
_______________________________________________________________
Sent: Wednesday, September 30, 2009 10:23:37 PM
Subject: Re: 4x4 trade
Where is the Jimmy at? Could I look at it? Do you have a LTCH?
Please advise.
Thanks!
Jason
___________________________________________________
Subject: Re: 4x4 trade
To: "Jason Fendrick" <jnmfendrick@yahoo.com>
Date: Thursday, October 1, 2009, 6:03 PM
Not sure what LTCH stand for, and I `m not sure I want any one with a gun knowing where I live, you never answer about the recept matching the numbers? I`m not saying any thing bad about you, Its just you hear about bad thing that happen to people when dealing with online sales.
_______________________________________________________________
(name removed for annonimity);
I know how you feel about the uncertainty of online sales. I have done a few online sales and / or trades, and I go into every one of them wondering what sort of person I am REALLY dealing with.
To answer your questions:
1. As for a reciept with matching numbers - I received the Ruger on a trade deal with a guy from east of Elkhart, and as such, all I have is a Bill of Sale - that matches the serial number of the gun.
2. The reason that I asked you if you had a LTCH (License To Carry a Handgun), is that when you are selling / trading a gun in the state of Indiana, it is important to observe the basic laws pertaining to ownership / transport of a handgun: If you wish to carry a handgun, other than from the purchase point of a gunshop to home; you are required by the State of Indiana to have a LTCH - which is issued by the state, only after an extensive and thorough background check (to ensure that you are of legal age, not a convicted felon, nor a person who is mentally unstable). If, during the time that you hold a LTCH, you are convicted of a Felony, you must surrender that License. My asking if you have one covers both parties involved in regards to the laws about traveling with a gun - only those that have been proven to be law-abiding citizens can do so. I cannot in good conscience hand a gun over to someone that I may have reason to believe should not have one in the first place. SO, with your statement about NOT knowing what a LTCH is, it implies that you have never obtained one, and therefore do not currently hold one. I am not saying anything bad about you either; but, without a LTCH, I have no REAL way of knowing that you are of legal age, not a convicted felon, nor a mentally unstable person.
3. As for worrying about someone with a gun knowing where you live....... all I can say to you, sir, is that there are people with guns EVERYWHERE. The ones that you REALLY need to worry about are not the ones that choose to abide by the laws of this great state (regardless of how little sense they make); instead, you need to worry more about the thugs, gang-bangers, drug dealers, and general miscreants that would do you harm for no other reason that a quick profit or simple pleasure. Myself, I carry a handgun with me everwhere I go, because in order to protect my family, my property, and yes, even the innocent people in my vicinity - I accept that I must do so. I accept that I cannot rely on the police to save my family from harm - it is not their job - and it is unrealistic to expect the police to be with me every second of the day. I carry a gun because I can't carry a cop.
I thank you for your time in this matter, and I wish you the best of luck in the future. I would recommend to you, if you intend to carry a handgun, to go to the local police department, and apply for your LTCH. It takes just a few moments of your time, and some ink on your fingers, a little bit of money, and the process is started. After a few weeks, the local and state police having checked your background and found no reason to disqualify you from carrying a handgun, a License To Carry a Handgun will come to you via regular mail, and you will be good to go. It seems like a lot, but really it is not. Should you get arrested for something, and have a handgun on your person or in your vehicle - without having that License, the penalties can be severe.
Take care, and if you have any other questions pertaining to ownership of guns in the great State of Indiana - check out www.ingunowners.com - there are a lot of good people on there that can help.
Sincerely,
Jason Fendrick
Elkhart
After I sent the reply, I got to thinking about it, and thought that perhaps, maybe, just a bit...... I was a smart-arse. I know I have that tendency, a little.....
Sorry for the long read - I just wanted to see if I was a bit harsh with the guy.
Thanks!
) says that what you wrote sounds pretty good. I agree (and would even if there weren't some prying eyes around!).
