Warning about Shoot Point Blank

[USA#1]

I guess I have been fortunate. Every time I have purchased through an FFL, whether is be a big box store or a LGS, I have only had to wait in the store for a few minutes before being approved and taking my new firearm home.

 

[Johwar]

It's only if there's a "delay" when calling in the NICS check. If that goes through right away then there's no wait.

Not always.

 

[SilveradoII]

I get delayed every time. I made one purchase a few years ago that still shows delayed. Dealer called me after the minimum time to come in and pick it up. Purchased another gun from him 6 months later and he said that previous one still had no action on it.

 

[STAGE 2]

If your buying guns at SPB the. You have enough money to entertain yourself doing something else while you wait as their prices are lousy.

 

[JasonCountry]

I spent an entire summer waiting for RK to get a proceed. I got a delay, waited 30 days or so with no response from NICS and then had to refill out the 4473 again and repeat for like 3-4 months. Since then I try my best to avoid buying from any place that doesn't honor the 3 day rule. I asked RK why they had this policy and they said it was to protect ME in the case it came back denied... my response is let ME deal with that as I know if I'm an unlawful person or not.

 

[drillsgt]

If your buying guns at SPB the. You have enough money to entertain yourself doing something else while you wait as their prices are lousy.

True, i'll usually go in and look around after our Costco trip. Before covid they would sometimes have some good deals on used guns but i've never been impressed with their new gun pricing. They did have a ton of ammo on the shelves, any 9mm FMJ you wanted as long as you were willing to pay 35.00 a box, even for the no name imported stuff. Kirk's theory did not pan out regarding you have to get it on the shelves for the price to come down lol.

 

[rala]

I spent an entire summer waiting for RK to get a proceed. I got a delay, waited 30 days or so with no response from NICS and then had to refill out the 4473 again and repeat for like 3-4 months. Since then I try my best to avoid buying from any place that doesn't honor the 3 day rule. I asked RK why they had this policy and they said it was to protect ME in the case it came back denied... my response is let ME deal with that as I know if I'm an unlawful person or not.

The 3 day no response release is optional for the FFL. Federal law says no firearms transaction is final without a completed 4473. While delayed the FFL is still carrying the firearm on his books. So actually it's not just your problem. If there is a delay,and the FFL releases after 3 days then the buyer gets denied, the FFL is responsible for retrieving the firearm . If the customer doesn't comply, within a specific time period it gets referred to the sheriffs dept. It's also a trigger for an ATF audit. Not a good time for anybody. For a small corner store the low volume sales may never see it. In a high volume chain it's pretty common. It's a complicated and ugly process.
In today's world selling firearms and staying legal with the convoluted Federal, state, county and municipal laws is a bitch. I'm glad to be out of it and back to just being consumer.

 

[JasonCountry]

The 3 day no response release is optional for the FFL. Federal law says no firearms transaction is final without a completed 4473. While delayed the FFL is still carrying the firearm on his books. So actually it's not just your problem. If there is a delay,and the FFL releases after 3 days then the buyer gets denied, the FFL is responsible for retrieving the firearm . If the customer doesn't comply, within a specific time period it gets referred to the sheriffs dept. It's also a trigger for an ATF audit. Not a good time for anybody. For a small corner store the low volume sales may never see it. In a high volume chain it's pretty common. It's a complicated and ugly process.
In today's world selling firearms and staying legal with the convoluted Federal, state, county and municipal laws is a bitch. I'm glad to be out of it and back to just being consumer.

I should have said I knew they were doing it for themselves and not me. Frustrated they acted like they were only protecting me.

 

[Brambo]

I dunno about that - I bought a handgun from Greensburg Rural King and walked 20 minutes later with it out the front door.

I've never had to "wait" to purchase a firearm - in state or outta state.

It has always worked like that for me too

 

[Cork74]

I have never had to wait to pick up my firearm purchase ---YET!

 

[WebSnyper]

The 3 day no response release is optional for the FFL. Federal law says no firearms transaction is final without a completed 4473. While delayed the FFL is still carrying the firearm on his books. So actually it's not just your problem. If there is a delay,and the FFL releases after 3 days then the buyer gets denied, the FFL is responsible for retrieving the firearm . If the customer doesn't comply, within a specific time period it gets referred to the sheriffs dept. It's also a trigger for an ATF audit. Not a good time for anybody. For a small corner store the low volume sales may never see it. In a high volume chain it's pretty common. It's a complicated and ugly process.
In today's world selling firearms and staying legal with the convoluted Federal, state, county and municipal laws is a bitch. I'm glad to be out of it and back to just being consumer.

Is this what the law says? I find it hard to believe if that is what the law says that any FFL would release without a definite proceed vs releasing after 3 business days if a deny is not issued during that period.

If that action is truly on the FFL then it would seem the potential liability on releasing the firearm before a definite proceed is received, would outweigh the profit on any particular sale.

 

[Cameramonkey]

Is this what the law says? I find it hard to believe if that is what the law says that any FFL would release without a definite proceed vs releasing after 3 business days if a deny is not issued during that period.

Yes. It may be released after 3 FULL BUSINESS days at the FFLs discretion.(unless the FFL hears otherwise from the folks at NICS) Its an option and not a requirement.

 

[WebSnyper]

Yes. It may be released after 3 FULL BUSINESS days at the FFLs discretion.(unless the FFL hears otherwise from the folks at NICS) Its an option and not a requirement.

I get that. I was wondering about the part I bolded in @rala 's post: "If there is a delay,and the FFL releases after 3 days then the buyer gets denied, the FFL is responsible for retrieving the firearm"

If that's true, I could see that being a big concern for any FFL.

 

[actaeon277]

Well, the Dems keep talking about getting rid of the 3 day part of the language.
And if they do, I'd bet money they would under-man that dept. And the wait times would skyrocket.
Look at some of the anti-gun States. In their law, licenses to carry are SUPPOSED to be done in a given amount of time. A time which is REGULARLY exceeded. And yet nothing gets done about it.

 

[NHT3]

I’ve never been delayed, ever, on any purchase even with multiple NFA items over the course of years. I’m not afraid to put my SS# on the 4473 though. I figure once you’ve been down the NFA road they have everything anyway, so what’s it matter

I have never heard of the FFL being forced to retrieve a firearm. They have no police powers so I'm not sure how that could possibly work. ATF calls and if the firearm was released THEY get the information from the 4473 and retrieve the firearm because ATF has police powers..
For those somewhat new to the firearms world. Another example of inept practices by ATF in link below. Hunter Biden IS guilty of lying on a 4473. As you can see they are very quick to deny your rights but fail to prosecute obvious violations of the law by felons.. Give em an inch and they will take 2 miles. Don't give them anything!!

https://www.cnsnews.com/news/articl...0-denied-gun-purchasers-were-prosecuted-fy-17

 

[wtburnette]

If your buying guns at SPB the. You have enough money to entertain yourself doing something else while you wait as their prices are lousy.

They have occasionally had pretty nice sales.

 

[DoggyDaddy]

Not always.

Really? Examples?

 

[VERT]

NHT3 is correct. It is not on the FFL to retrieve guns. If a gun is released after 3 days and then NICS comes back with denied it then becomes ATFs problem. I have seen this happen a couple of times and can tell you how ATF handled those situations. Of course this may vary, but here were the options for the purchaser:

1) Relinquish the gun immediately to the ATF. I am sure this is the official response. Plus face any potential charges for buying the gun as a prohibited person.

2) Sell the gun back immediately to the FFL from which it was purchased. That was the option given. ATF told us that if it was only worth a $1 then so be it. It was solely at the discretion of the store to set the price and if they would trade it back in.

Regardless it is a hassle.

 

[rala]

I get that. I was wondering about the part I bolded in @rala 's post: "If there is a delay,and the FFL releases after 3 days then the buyer gets denied, the FFL is responsible for retrieving the firearm"

If that's true, I could see that being a big concern for any FFL.

Unfortunately -yes that's the way it works. We would contact the customer and inform them they had to return it to the store. We would have to issue a full refund and be stuck with a used gun, and all the paperwork.

 

[rala]

NHT3 is correct. It is not on the FFL to retrieve guns. If a gun is released after 3 days and then NICS comes back with denied it then becomes ATFs problem. I have seen this happen a couple of times and can tell you how ATF handled those situations. Of course this may vary, but here were the options for the purchaser:

1) Relinquish the gun immediately to the ATF. I am sure this is the official response. Plus face any potential charges for buying the gun as a prohibited person.

2) Sell the gun back immediately to the FFL from which it was purchased. That was the option given. ATF told us that if it was only worth a $1 then so be it. It was solely at the discretion of the store to set the price and if they would trade it back in.

Regardless it is a hassle.

Depends on who at the ATF your talking to. We have been told "I'll take care of it" and "Go clean up your mess". As with all things "4473" clear as mud, and an invitation to an ATF audit. Glad to be on the other side of the counter these days.