Utah restricts non-resident CCW permits

[ElsiePeaRN]

Apparently, the Governor of Utah signed a bill last week that:

requires a nonresident applicant for a concealed firearm permit to hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit from the applicant's state of residency that recognizes the validity of the Utah permit in that state or has reciprocity with the Utah concealed firearm permit law;

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http://le.utah.gov/~2011/bills/sbillenr/sb0036.pdf

Bill Status/Votes
Last Action: 22 March 2011, Governor Signed
Last Location: Lieutenant Governor's office for filing


I learned about this on another forum and actually didn't believe it at first. I was sort of amazed that there hasn't been an uproar over it. It doesn't effect us in Indiana, but I know a number of people who live in restrictive may issue states, and in states that do not honor the Utah permit that will no longer qualify for a Utah non-resident permit.

 

[Benny]

What about LTCHs?

 

[ElsiePeaRN]

What about LTCHs?

I'm assuming that they qualify

 

[Andre46996]

I wonder if they will grandfather in current holders??

My little brother resides in the Socialist State of Illinois but has a current Utah card.

 

[ElsiePeaRN]

I wonder if they will grandfather in current holders??

My little brother resides in the Socialist State of Illinois but has a current Utah card.

It looks like he is good until his renewal if I undertand it correctly. For new applicants, it starts May 10, 2011, BUt for renewals, it starts Jan 1, 2012.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Maybe time to look at the Florida permit.

 

[NickL45]

I used to have a FL permit, but it expired before I remembered to renew it. Of course, I still have my IN LTCH. Is the Utah one easier to get? Does it cover more states?

 

[Ricnzak]

Wow that had me worried. I take the Utah class next Friday.

 

[Bapak2ja]

Utah is very widely accepted.

Utah Concealed Carry Permit Information

Florida is pretty good, too.

Florida Concealed Carry Permit Information

On both sites you have to scroll down to the bottom of the page to see the reciprocity map and read the fine print. Both sites have info on getting the permit in that state.

 

[Mr. Habib]

I used to have a FL permit, but it expired before I remembered to renew it. Of course, I still have my IN LTCH. Is the Utah one easier to get? Does it cover more states?

Utah is only $65 and is good for 5 years. Renewal is $10, although I think it is raising to $15. Florida is $117 for 7 years with another $117 to renew. That makes Utah cheaper in the long term. Utah gives you all of the states that Florida does with the exceptions of Kansas and New Mexico. Utah also adds Minnesota. The only downside to Utah is that they require a class for the initial license. If you add Arizona to Utah you get every state that you would get with a Florida plus Minnesota and it is still cheaper long term. That's what I did.

 

[ViperJock]

Interesting. I had hear that some states were going to stop recognizing UT since it was too "easy" to get. I wonder if this is UT's response. "Fine, don't accept ours? Then we won't let your residents get ours." tit for tat.

It is a bit annoying to out of staters, but it seems fair from a UT perspective. I guess if you are in a state that does not qualify, it might be time to petition your legislature to accept the UT permit in reciprocity.

 

[jedi]

I'm assuming that they qualify

But we (IN) do not have CONCEALED permits and per the text you quoted it sounds like UT will only accept CONCEALED permits so we might be screwed.

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[ElsiePeaRN]

But we (IN) do not have CONCEALED permits and per the text you quoted it sounds like UT will only accept CONCEALED permits so we might be screwed.

SInce the LTCH permits us to conceal carry if that is our choice, and is in fact Indiana's version of what other states call a "concealed permit," and since Indiana recognizes Utah permits, I am certain we'll be fine. They don't care what we call it or if it also permits us to openly carry,

 

[Mad Anthony Wayne]

I need to get my Utah soon. My Indiana one doesnt cover enough states when I travel. Ive been dragging my feet, but no more.

 

[ryknoll3]

Here's the appropriate text of the statute:


74 (4) (a) In addition to meeting the other qualifications for the issuance of a concealed
75 firearm permit under this section, a nonresident applicant who resides in a state that recognizes
76 the validity of the Utah permit or has reciprocity with Utah's concealed firearm permit law
77 shall:
78 (i) hold a current concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit issued by the
79 appropriate permitting authority of the nonresident applicant's state of residency; and
80 (ii) submit a photocopy or electronic copy of the nonresident applicant's current
81 concealed firearm or concealed weapon permit referred to in Subsection (4)(a)(i).

The way this is worded leads me to believe that you only have to have a home state permit if your state recognizes the validity of, or has reciprocity with the Utah permit. If you live in a no-reciprocity state or a no-permit state (IL or WI), you could still get the Utah permit.

I think this still helps the people that can't get permits from their home states, but if you can get one, and your state recognizes Utah's, you have to do that first.

Here's an excerpt from the Salt Lake Tribune that backs up my point:

"The Legislature gave final approval Monday to a bill that would require out-of-state gun owners who seek a Utah concealed-weapon permit to first obtain a permit from their home states, if available.

The Senate voted 25-0 to accept earlier House amendments to SB36 and sent it to Gov. Gary Herbert. The House changes make it clear that out-of-state residents could apply immediately for a Utah permit if their home state does not recognize Utah’s......"

 

[ElsiePeaRN]

The House changes make it clear that out-of-state residents could apply immediately for a Utah permit if their home state does not recognize Utah’s......"

Excellent clarification, ryknoll. Thank you!

 

[ViperJock]

That does clear things up a bit. It changes the whole thing from an antagonistic point of view to a friendly one. Wow.

 

[ElsiePeaRN]

That does clear things up a bit. It changes the whole thing from an antagonistic point of view to a friendly one. Wow.

Yes! I have to say I do disagree with the article where it said, "the House changes make it clear that..."

 

[theweakerbrother]

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