US Flys B-52s Into China's Expanded Air Defense Zone

[88GT]

We are always going to have enemies. It is preferable that our enemies are not nations with massive armed forces.

I agree. But that's a different issue.

You aren't nearly as concerned about the international community's opinion of us when it involves a policy decision you favor. So it can't really be about how the other countries in this big ol' world view us.

 

[88GT]

We more than "stand a chance" against the Chinese. As soon as we do not, you can expect the Chinese to invade. It is long-standing Chinese policy (dogma?) that they will eventually dominate the world. They are very patient. These expansion claims of the Chinese are surely intended to test our resolve. I wonder what will happen if the Chinese call our bluff. Makes me wonder what current plan/policy is in place if the Chinese do not back down. I suspect we will blink.

Regarding the B-52s - wondering if Chinese fighters were scrambled against them. It is not uncommon for the Chinese to react against our surveilance flights, even to the point of being able to visualize the pilot. I have heard US pilots report exchanging obscene jestures, some times just waving, etc, and one related holding up pornographic pictures for the Chinese pilots. Can you imagine how close these planes were?

However, as tensions increase, I'm suspecting there may be changes in reaction to scrambling of fighters (go home, turn away?). The report says we went into the zone, but the Chinese response is probably classified. (We'd surely be listening to these voice comms, checking their radar response, and maybe seeing if their SAM sites lit up our planes if any are in range). Also we'd surely be trying to gauge internal, that is, internal political response.

REmember the plane that was forced down in Chinese territory? Yeah, we've been keeping up relations a while.

 

[netsecurity]

If you have ever wondered why so many different countries hate us, you have found the answer. When our foreign policy is centered around stifling the growth of other nations they will despise us. In your mind, what is the major threat from a growing China?

Stifling growth? Stifling growth!?!? You mean stifling expansion. We stifled the expansion of Japan during ww2, and gave blood and treasure to save China from Japan, and we never got paid back for it because Mao kicked the Chinese government out and took over as communist leader. The biggest growth in SE Asia is from Taiwan, Japan, and South Korea--all countries that have been our partners, and that we help to protect. If they are conquered the financial results would be disastrous. SE asia is so important to us since they make all the computer chips, that it would be a major national security problem if one of those countries flipped or was destroyed.

If there is one thing we've stood for since ww2 it is STABILITY, which means countries should not be allowed to take over their neighbors like Germany and Japan did. So either JDMACK knows zilch about history and why millions died, or he just thinks a stronger China is what the world needs.

 

[actaeon277]

No. We can alter the inevitable and avoid a war with China by changing our foreign policy. We don't stand a chance against the Chinese and we should do everything possible to avoid a conflict.

Really, that's your advice?
And what is your advice for persons about to be raped? Lay back and don't struggle?


And WWII didn't expand because of the invasion of Poland.
Duh.
Poland was what, the SIXTH country invaded?????
When someone keeps saying, we just need a little more living room, and they take country after country.......

 

[jdmack79]

So either JDMACK knows zilch about history and why millions died, or he just thinks a stronger China is what the world needs.

How is a strong China a big threat to me?

 

[mbills2223]

How is a strong China a big threat to me?

You mean you don't know?!?! China wunts to kill us c0z we are 'merican!

 

[88GT]

How is a strong China a big threat to me?

Depends.

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[csnoski]

Back in the early 80's my (now ex) husband used to say that we should be worried about China with their billions and billions of people in the future. Huh, maybe he was prescient.

 

[cobber]

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Chinese infrastructure will begin crumbling, or already has. For anyone who remembers the 2008 earthquake, building codes weren't followed despite being in an active quake zone. If you have traveled to China, you know how run-down structures look after a few years of acid rain.

China looks flashy and potent, just like the USSR. It's largely a Potemkin village.

(That being said, would anyone here prefer today to have the Soviets in 'control' in Afghanistan, to the resurgent Taliban? Sometimes the unintended consequences of our actions are immense....)

 

[Birds Away]

How is a strong China a big threat to me?

Did you graduate from the Neville Chamberlain school of politics?

 

[ViperJock]

How is a strong China a big threat to me?

Obviously you haven't seen the remake of Red Dawn

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Obviously you haven't seen the remake of Red Dawn

He hasn't read Heinlein's "The Sixth Column" either.

 

[88GT]

Did you graduate from the Neville Chamberlain school of politics?

That presupposes Chamberlain knew enough about politics to start and run a school about it.

 

[jdmack79]

Did you graduate from the Neville Chamberlain school of politics?

I still ask you to explain how China is a threat to me in the USA.

 

[actaeon277]

He hasn't read Heinlein's "The Sixth Column" either.

Great book.

I still ask you to explain how China is a threat to me in the USA.

Agree with it or not, we are pledged to protect Japan. China is "testing" military response near Japan.
Agree with it or not, we are pledged to protect Taiwan. China is "testing" military response near Taiwan.

Causing conflict in those two areas to see how we act.
If we act weak, then what the heck, grab those areas, or at least stop the **** out of them.

That seems to be a dangerous game.
If they perceive we won't do anything, they may take a grab.
The president may not want to be perceived as weak, or lose more areas we guarantee. So we get involved in a conflict.


Argentina thought the Falkland Islands were not worth England getting upset over.
They took them.
PM of Britain determined she did not want to appear weak, or let someone get away with taking her subjects. She went to war.
There was ZERO chance of Argentina winning. It was just a matter of time/blood.
But it WAS a matter of PERCEPTION.

 

[actaeon277]

You may also be mixing up worry about the Chinese people, and worry about the Chinese government.

 

[netsecurity]

I still ask you to explain how China is a threat to me in the USA.

You are missing the whole point of all this, because you don't understand its context in history. China is not necessarily threatening us directly, they are threatening Japan. After we saved China and Japan sureendered, we took over management of their military role for the next 50 or so years, and largely still do. Same goes for South Korea and Taiwan. They are small island nations and don't have large militaries. We protect them, and that is why our ships and troops are still in the region--for stability.

If China takes over any of these islands the result will be instability. That is exactly how WW2 started. A lot of other countries will decide to move while America is weak, and expand their borders too, and then we have WW3.

In other words, as soon as we start playing "musical chairs" with sovereign territories, it will spread world wide, because all the tyrants will take advantage of the oppurtunity.

 

[red_zr24x4]

I still ask you to explain how China is a threat to me in the USA.

Well lets see poison in pet foods comes to mind first.
Wasn't there also other Chinese imported food/drug/personal care items that contained poison?
Is it them seeing what level of poison they can get by with to slowly kill us?

 

[Blackhawk2001]

jdmack79 seems to be placing a bunch of trust in a government which - as a philosophy and a standard practice - routinely lies to their own people and to the world (as opposed to THIS country, where the government lying to its people is a standard practice, but NOT a philosophy) as to their grievances with the United States and their intentions to the rest of the world. He also apparently was blind to the cultural bigotry that is apparent in the Chinese attitudes toward non-Chinese. He also apparently mistakes an historical inability to control its own borders and its poverty-restricted military efforts with its current situation, both politically and militarily. It's rather surprising to me that he would miss those aspects of Chinese society, while others who are students of foreign affairs have no difficulty in seeing them.

 

[Stickfight]

Wasn't there also other Chinese imported food/drug/personal care items that contained poison?

Lead in children's toys. Also various strong solvents used in liquid filled toys and novelties. And a whole host of choking hazard baby items.

In dealing with the outside world, industry in China is the absolute epitome of free market capitalism, and they very much think long term. They quite literally seek to kill off their competitors.