Typical number of shots fired in CC situation?

[Goodfoot]

I realize there are so many variables, but what do the police or trainers say? Researching CC guns for wife and I. Is 6-8 enough rounds? Seems like after 3-5 all involved would be hiding or gone. I've heard that in the heat of the moment it's easy to miss the first 3 shots. How many people should we prepare for? (CC not home defense) Curious of your experiences.

 

[ditcherman]

In a concealed carry situation I don’t plan on firing any. It’s when the gun is drawn I may fire.

Ok, seriously, anecdotally speaking many times the gun is drawn and no shots are fired. But you better not count on that. You’d better be trained.
Theoretically 1 or 2 should do it.

I don’t agree with your comment about “missing the first 3” . Whoever is saying that to you, well, I would take what they say with a grain of salt without knowing more in context. You miss the first three and it’s going downhill fast for you. Those shots went somewhere, you are responsible for them. Your goal has to be every shot hits its mark. All the while your missing, the drug-crazed or otherwise unafraid are advancing on you.

I’m gonna assume your kinda new to shooting; I will just tell you my experience of learning to carry (different than shooting) is going from feeling like my Sig p238 was printing horribly (single stack tiny 380) to being comfortable carrying a full size at 3-4 o’clock or appendix.

Also remember, in Indiana you don’t “have” to hide it. You do need to be comfortable with it, and it’s use.

 

[Goodfoot]

In a concealed carry situation I don’t plan on firing any. It’s when the gun is drawn I may fire.

Ok, seriously, anecdotally speaking many times the gun is drawn and no shots are fired. But you better not count on that. You’d better be trained.
Theoretically 1 or 2 should do it.

I don’t agree with your comment about “missing the first 3” . Whoever is saying that to you, well, I would take what they say with a grain of salt without knowing more in context. You miss the first three and it’s going downhill fast for you. Those shots went somewhere, you are responsible for them. Your goal has to be every shot hits its mark. All the while your missing, the drug-crazed or otherwise unafraid are advancing on you.

I’m gonna assume your kinda new to shooting; I will just tell you my experience of learning to carry (different than shooting) is going from feeling like my Sig p238 was printing horribly (single stack tiny 380) to being comfortable carrying a full size at 3-4 o’clock or appendix.

Also remember, in Indiana you don’t “have” to hide it. You do need to be comfortable with it, and it’s use.

Yes new to shooting so thanks for being kind. We plan on lots of training and are buying a range membership and some classes today.

 

[Leo]

Yes new to shooting so thanks for being kind. We plan on lots of training and are buying a range membership and some classes today.

That is far more important than nuances of ammo and firearm style. Gear does not make competence, Training does.

 

[Cameramonkey]

There is a saying: 3x3.

Most defensive shoots happen:

With 3 shots
within 3 feet* (bad breath distance)
and end within 3 seconds.

Not definitive, but fairly common.

*Edit: Or was it yards?

 

[ditcherman]

I would also highly recommend https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/concealed-carry-magazine/
Tons of good info to help a newer shooter, lots of flashy ads to help you see gear, but they really focus on mindset. The gear is between the ears.

 

[ditcherman]

Yes new to shooting so thanks for being kind. We plan on lots of training and are buying a range membership and some classes today.

Also, rent, beg, borrow, and steal as many guns as you can before buying.

 

[Goodfoot]

I would also highly recommend https://www.usconcealedcarry.com/resources/concealed-carry-magazine/
Tons of good info to help a newer shooter, lots of flashy ads to help you see gear, but they really focus on mindset. The gear is between the ears.

Thanks for this resource. 100% agree

 

[Goodfoot]

Also, rent, beg, borrow, and steal as many guns as you can before buying.

LOL, Tim's in Westfield has free rental on Tuesdays. Wife and I shot almost every cc 9mm in there. Headed back today to narrow it down.

 

[Goodfoot]

There is a saying: 3x3.

Most defensive shoots happen:

With 3 shots
within 3 feet (bad breath distance)
and end within 3 seconds.

Not definitive, but fairly common.

I thought there might be a general rule... Thanks!

 

[Franc]

In the recent PA Uber driver case, he shot all 12 rounds in his CC Taurus G2C, and it seems very necessary for him to do so. He has two guys with guns on his back, and a third guy a few feet away in his car. His gun is in his pocket with an empty chamber! Somehow he managed to chamber a round and shot the two guys holding him up. So the distance is less than 3 ft. Lucky for him the third guy immediately fled. Can't tell from the video whether he fired at the 3rd guy. If he did, then it was 4 shots per person. This really was pushing the limits as even in police shooting 4 rounds are usually not enough to take down a perp. In conclusion, in this case about 8 to 10 shots within 3 ft took down two attacker, and 2 to 4 shots at more than 10 ft and it all missed.

 

[daddyusmaximus]

There are times when I'm packing a Glock 45 (17 rd mag) +1 in the chamber, + 2 spare mags.

There are other times when all I have on me is a S&W 640. (5 shot J frame revolver). Like today.

It all boils down to sometimes I feel like I need to prepare for the worst case possible, and other times I'm carrying "just in case". Part of that is me being a disabled combat veteran with multiple deployments, so I've experienced the worst... Part of that is me watching the news, and knowing that the worst can also happen right here at home... Truth is very few of us will ever need our weapons to defend ourselves with in civilian life, and if we do, it won't (I hope) be as bad as combat) so for the most part, anything I have that's good enough to stop an attacker, and that I'm good enough with to hit the target (while under stress, and in a hurry) should suffice.

The key is to have a weapon that's capable of stopping the threat, then getting good enough with it.
Also, have a weapon mounted light, or at least carry a good light. It's dark our 50% of the time, and bad guys love jumping people in dark places.

Keep in mind humans are unpredictable. Sometimes they can be very fragile, and a .22lr can bring down one with a single shot. Other times they can be extremely resilient, and withstand an incredible amount of punishment. (being shot multiple times with large caliber rounds)

Get good, put the shots where they need to go.

 

[Blackhawk2001]

Whenever I see someone singing the praises of "you don't need more than . . . ." I always harken back to this guy who got into a gunfight with a guy and used up almost all his ammo - 3 13-rd magazines - and hit the guy 14 times before he neutralized him.

I train as much as I'm able, and I'm retired so I'm not constrained by "work clothes" but I carry two spare magazines all the time. Not because I'm afraid that I won't hit my target, but because I don't want to be out of ammo while the other guy still has his.

Why one cop carries 145 rounds of ammo on the job

Sergeant Timothy Gramins faced a murderous attacker who would not go down, even though he was shot 14 times with .45-cal. ammunition

www.policeone.com

 

[ditcherman]

OP, revisiting your “miss the first three shots” comment, there was a drill posted in a red dot thread that spoke to that

Start Shooting Better Episode 8: Five-Yard Roundup - Lucky Gunner Lounge

The Five Yard Round-Up pistol drill. We'll show you how to do it and describe how it can help you become a better shooter.

www.luckygunner.com

(Thanks cedartop!)
Fun little drill, if you read to near the bottom you will see them talking about some professional observations concerning the need for hits on target, quickly, and ways to train for that.

 

[Bigtanker]

Random violence stats I've compiled

These are mostly cases I worked in some capacity (lead or assisting), but do include some from detectives I've asked to notify me of instances of citizens fighting back so that I can get information from Sex Crimes, etc. that I don't work. 19 total cases. I'd hoped for a larger sample, but...

www.indianagunowners.com

 

[bwframe]

Prepare for the worst. Be comfortable as your training and confidence enables you to never need the skills or tools.

 

[actaeon277]

Random violence stats I've compiled

These are mostly cases I worked in some capacity (lead or assisting), but do include some from detectives I've asked to notify me of instances of citizens fighting back so that I can get information from Sex Crimes, etc. that I don't work. 19 total cases. I'd hoped for a larger sample, but...

www.indianagunowners.com

Here's a good thread

 

[actaeon277]

Random violence stats I've compiled

These are mostly cases I worked in some capacity (lead or assisting), but do include some from detectives I've asked to notify me of instances of citizens fighting back so that I can get information from Sex Crimes, etc. that I don't work. 19 total cases. I'd hoped for a larger sample, but...

www.indianagunowners.com

damn it.
I should have refreshed the page. It took me awhile to find it.

 

[Bigtanker]

damn it.
I should have refreshed the page. It took me awhile to find it.

Took me too long to find it one too many times. So I made it a sticky.

 

[ditcherman]

damn it.
I should have refreshed the page. It took me awhile to find it.

BT’s cheating isn’t he.