TSA to implement Israeli-style security/interrogations for travellers

[96firephoenix]

Arrested for sexual harassment of a TSA officer. After being stripped and beaten to provide an example for everyone else.

they started it... did you not see the way they wanted to touch him?

 

[Sigasaurus]

The greatest criminals are able to hide their true intentions. So good thing the average citizen is going to get flustered and be probed. While turbin mcbeardly stays cool and calm on his way to punish the infidels.

 

[rjstew317]

The Federal Government probably wouldn't have a problem bankrupting another industry with their asinine policies. But it won't happen because too many Americans excuse this tyranny and accept it as necessary. They'll keep flying.

hence my first reply.............DON'T FLY, PROBLEM SOLVED

 

[Yeah]

Before I flew out of IND for my summer holiday I attached a metallic smily face sticker to my junk. I have no idea if it was visible when I was backscattered, but I like to think it was.

 

[rambone]

hence my first reply.............DON'T FLY, PROBLEM SOLVED

YOU AREN'T SOLVING ANYTHING BY PUTTING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND

 

[Titanium_Frost]

YOU AREN'T SOLVING ANYTHING BY PUTTING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND

Yes, because there have never EVER been cases where boycotting has worked...

What is YOUR suggestion Rambone? Just elect Ron Paul and that will solve everything? You really DON'T understand American plotiticians do you?

I have never flown and never will unless it is privately contracted.

 

[rjstew317]

YOU AREN'T SOLVING ANYTHING BY PUTTING YOUR HEAD IN THE SAND

my heads not in the sand, what I'm saying is that if everone stops flying then maybe .gov will get the message.

it doesn't matter how much you ***** about it on the internet, it going to require actions like NOT FLYING to accomplish anything.

relax, I think the tinfoil might be a little too tight

 

[rambone]

Yes, because there have never EVER been cases where boycotting has worked...

Airports don't pay the TSA. You do.

You want to boycott them, stop paying taxes.

There... "Problem solved."

relax, I think the tinfoil might be a little too tight

THIS IS MY RELAXED VOICE

 

[rambone]

 

[rjstew317]

Airports don't pay the TSA. You do.

You want to boycott them, stop paying taxes.

There... "Problem solved."

I'm all for it!!

 

[jedi]

The general TSA flunky couldn't handle it currently. This type of interview is not a minimum-wage level skill. It takes time to train and a certain level of intelligence to handle properly. That is the biggest practical obstacle.

I'm not thrilled about this, but I would far prefer it over the current security theater that is now in place.

It's not about the general TSA flunky. It's about conditioning. The current youth generation (like my kid sister) that flys sees all of this as OK. My little cousins as well. They are growing up accepting this level of "security". What the TSA is doing is just another baby step in fencing in the wold horses (one fence segment at a time).

Within one more generation many of us here will be nothing more than just the crazy old man at the end of the street and everyone should ignore.

 

[rambone]

Do any of these things make sense in your minds?

If you don't like Obamacare, then don't go to the doctor.

If you don't like public schools, then home-school your kids.

If you don't like government-run garbage disposal, then don't throw anything away.

If you don't like Social Security, then throw away your Social Security Card.

If you don't like warrantless bag-searches, then don't leave your house.

If you don't like being harassed for carrying a gun, then don't carry guns.

If you don't like high income taxes, then don't work.

And lastly,

If you don't like seeing the TSA trashing the 4th amendment and treating travelers like worthless slaves, then don't fly.

The constitution will magically restore itself if you just stay home and go to sleep.

 

[rambone]

Can you explain how not boycotting the airlines will solve the problem?

The TSA is in place due to the Republicans' Homeland Security Act, not market forces.

Boycotting airlines because of the TSA occupation is like boycotting Canada because of U.S. Border Patrol checkpoints.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

What? We are boycotting Canada now? What the hell do I buy that's from Canada? I already didn't go there cause they don't like handguns...

 

[88GT]

If you don't like Obamacare, then don't go to the doctor.

If you don't like public schools, then home-school your kids.

If you don't like government-run garbage disposal, then don't throw anything away.

If you don't like Social Security, then throw away your Social Security Card.

If you don't like warrantless bag-searches, then don't leave your house.

If you don't like being harassed for carrying a gun, then don't carry guns.

If you don't like high income taxes, then don't work.

And lastly,

If you don't like seeing the TSA trashing the 4th amendment and treating travelers like worthless slaves, then don't fly.

The constitution will magically restore itself if you just stay home and go to sleep.

Actually the homeschooling one makes perfect sense. THe problem with half of your examples is that they assume the status quo is the acceptable standard to start with. And yes, if you don't like to be hassled for carrying a gun, don't. Or hide it.


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In principle, I'm all for an Israeli-style method of screening. It simply works. However, the problem isn't with the method. It's the organization that's implementing it.

Rambone, you're protesting the wrong issue.

 

[rambone]

Actually the homeschooling one makes perfect sense. THe problem with half of your examples is that they assume the status quo is the acceptable standard to start with. And yes, if you don't like to be hassled for carrying a gun, don't. Or hide it.

That's a way for a person to avoid the system but does not do anything to correct the system.

It doesn't change the fact that you have to pay for public services that you don't use. Or perhaps you pay twice, once in taxes and once in private school tuition. The avoidance theory doesn't correct any of this.

In principle, I'm all for an Israeli-style method of screening. It simply works. However, the problem isn't with the method. It's the organization that's implementing it.

Rambone, you're protesting the wrong issue.

I think its the same issue. The government has no authority to get in my face and ask me questions. Its the same reason they don't have the authority to search my bags. The 4th Amendment. The Israeli method is just another way of violating the same portion of the constitution. Israelis don't have a constitution and they don't give a rip about interrogating their subjects. I have a big problem with bringing those measures here.

 

[88GT]

That's a way for a person to avoid the system but does not do anything to correct the system.

It doesn't change the fact that you have to pay for public services that you don't use. Or perhaps you pay twice, once in taxes and once in private school tuition. The avoidance theory doesn't correct any of this.

That argument is only valid if the motivation for the dislike is the fact that one pays for services one doesn't use. I dislike government schools for entirely different reasons. And while I don't think government should be in the business of education, Indiana's constitution does cover it.

Sooooo, I'll keep my kid at home.

I think its the same issue. The government has no authority to get in my face and ask me questions. Its the same reason they don't have the authority to search my bags. The 4th Amendment. The Israeli method is just another way of violating the same portion of the constitution. Israelis don't have a constitution and they don't give a rip about interrogating their subjects. I have a big problem with bringing those measures here.

No, you have a big problem with the government using those methods. Unless you want to go on record as being a hypocrite. Because there is nothing that would preclude USAir, Southwest, or Continental from implementing those same methods as part of their business operations. And there is nothing wrong with them doing so either. You may oppose it based on nothing more than your personal preference, but that's about it.

 

[rambone]

That argument is only valid if the motivation for the dislike is the fact that one pays for services one doesn't use. I dislike government schools for entirely different reasons. And while I don't think government should be in the business of education, Indiana's constitution does cover it.

Sooooo, I'll keep my kid at home.

Well there's lots of other reasons to oppose the idea... such as the great capacity for indoctrinating the nation, the fact that its one of the 10 planks of communism according to Karl Marx, the lack of quality education, the waste, the centralized bureaucracy, the anti-self-defense policies, the anti-free-market nature of the system, and on and on.

So let it be known that there is more than reasons that socialist public education hurts the nation; none of which will be changed by not participating.

No, you have a big problem with the government using those methods. Unless you want to go on record as being a hypocrite. Because there is nothing that would preclude USAir, Southwest, or Continental from implementing those same methods as part of their business operations. And there is nothing wrong with them doing so either. You may oppose it based on nothing more than your personal preference, but that's about it.

Competing models of private security. Government out of the picture. That's where I stand. I would avoid an interrogation if I had the choice, and I would choose an service that let me remain armed.

But we aren't talking about free market security. The government taking up the invasive Israeli model is still a violation of the 4th amendment. So this discussion is still relevant, no? I'm not sure why you said I'm protesting the wrong issue.

 

[Titanium_Frost]

Rambone, you keep doggin people who say to not fly, then what IS the solution???

Obviously you have one to be so adimate that everyone else is wrong, why have you not given your opinion on what would work?

I will side with history and say that it MUST be a multi-faceted approach. Not one thing will stop this atrocity to freedom, it must come from all angles. It will also take many years. Look how long it took us to lose our gun rights, and look at how long it has taken to gain them back. It has also been a one step back, two step forward deal at that. (think Clinton era)

 

[dross]

The Federal Government probably wouldn't have a problem bankrupting another industry with their asinine policies. But it won't happen because too many Americans excuse this tyranny and accept it as necessary. They'll keep flying.


I think the government should be out of it and airlines promote competing security models for passengers to choose from. I think the best security that passengers are ever going to find is when they are allowed to defend themselves from hijackers using carry-on weapons.

I think the Israeli government is more anti-freedom than the Feds, and that's saying a lot. I don't want to model America after their Police State.

How should Israel better handle its security?