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  • Bill of Rights

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    Where's the bacon?
    This whole thread seems a bit hinky to me.
    There's nothing hinky about it. The law is clearly written. Disagreeing with that does not allow you to violate it with impunity.
    We all agree that one can carry a firearm without a license within one's home, outside property, and at one's fixed place of employment.

    We are also able to agree of transporting a handgun to and from a place of repair.

    Is there a statutory limit on the number of times that a person can transport his firearm to or from any of the above locations? Does the statute enumerate the number of times in a fixed period of time that one may be able to remove his firearm from one physical location to another? If not, is there even a subjective standard that dictates such a number?
    No numeric limit in statute for any of these. The subjective standard is that "to dwelling or FPOB from place of purchase would be once; after that, it's not the place of purchase anymore. (it is, but if you happened to throw up in your 2nd grade classroom, you would not continue to think of that as "the place I threw up", you think of it as your 2nd grade classroom.) You can technically transport (directly) your firearm to a place of repair numerous times, and there is nothing that says it must BE repaired or even that it must be going there FOR repair in statute. There may be case law to that effect of which I am unaware.
    If no transport is permitted, how does one actually get his handgun from home, to his work?
    Get the license.
    How does one remove his handgun to his residence when he resigns from his place of employment?
    Get the license.
    What if one's employer refuses his employee to leave his firearms at his place of employment, but requires his employee to be armed?
    Get the license.
    I worked a number of years for a contract security firm, that employed Special Deputy Sheriffs that were capable of carrying their firearm at work, and during their scheduled hours only. When they completed their shifts, the handguns were unloaded and placed in their respective automobile trunks, as their limited police powers were only in force during their hours of employment.
    That a law was not correctly enforced does not mean that the law is then null and void forever. In other words, that they were not caught, arrested, booked, tried, and sentenced for breaking the law about transport does not mean you will not be if you do likewise without the proper state-issued permission slip. Or maybe some/all of them had the license.
    I contract directly with a security guard now, who is required to do the same action.
    He should get the license.
    Certainly the legislative intent of the statute was not meant to inhibit the commerce of individual employment. It was merely intended that one would be able to securely transport a firearm to a location, where one could legally possess and have immediate access to a loaded firearm.
    It was probably more meant to control crime, at which it fails, or to allow, as you said, but only under VERY limited and strictly controlled circumstances. It was likely not meant to address individual employment at all.

    Indiana's laws are very limited in their scope; that is, they could be far worse. Some states unConstitutionally disallow carry in banks, in churches (solely because they are houses of worship, not because of a school or daycare), or in bars. Some disallow carry in restaurants that derive more than 50% of their income from the sale of alcohol. Others forbid in places of public gathering. Some specify carry concealed ONLY, meaning your firearm cannot legally even be discernable as such through your clothing.

    Some allow purchase of a firearm only with a purchase permit from the state, or the idiotic "only one a month" laws, while others restrict mag capacity and the appearance of the gun, Some are working feverishly to ban all semi-autos or to stop the sale of ammo or at least restrict it by requiring a fingerprint to purchase.

    Indiana has none of these, but the law does require that for you to carry lawfully off your property, you must be a member of one of the specified groups or you must have that permission slip.

    Get the license.

    Blessings,
    Bill
     
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