The right Militia

[AlwaysVigilant]

A little food for thought. At the point you start "organizing" anything with leadership or a "structure", you involve undertones that often get in the way. Things like in-fighting, jealousy, non-agreement on strategic vision, etc.

IMHO, a strong, but loose organization of family, friends and some like-minded people who train together and share ideas is the best way to go. Less drama, less exposure, never a target for anyone's agenda.

 

[spectre327]

A little food for thought. At the point you start "organizing" anything with leadership or a "structure", you involve undertones that often get in the way. Things like in-fighting, jealousy, non-agreement on strategic vision, etc.

IMHO, a strong, but loose organization of family, friends and some like-minded people who train together and share ideas is the best way to go. Less drama, less exposure, never a target for anyone's agenda.

Oh I agree. There is no point for a "structure" of sorts as it's not like we are going out on a rampart to destroy all in our path. The only structure there should be is one that respects the experience of those with a solid knowledge base. Individual "experts" so to speak

 

[CathyInBlue]

Model it based on Benjamin Franklin's Junto idea.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Junto_(club)

Everyone's a student. Everyone's a teacher.

 

[Trigger Time]

According to the constitution as I understand every able bodied adult male IS a member of the militia. You don't have to be a member if a larger group to be ready to defend your country.

 

[10-32]

You know, after watching so many militias FAIL at their responsibilities at developing a network of informed, educated, trained, and prepared citizens, I have come to the conclusion that outside of the Organized State Militia, we really do not have a group that can perform their functions to the degree necessitated in a SHTF scenario.

Am I imagining a pipe dream or is it possible to build a network of prepared, both in the sense of firearm awareness and physical preparedness?

There are well trained, educated, informed, and prepared militias out there. Part of being well trained and educated is knowing to your damn mouths shut and not advertise your group.

 

[spectre327]

According to the constitution as I understand every able bodied adult male IS a member of the militia. You don't have to be a member if a larger group to be ready to defend your country.

Tight, but the interpretation of our constitution has been so diluted and convoluted over the generations that that very meaning is no longer understood or followed in any sort of tradition.

In fact that VERY understanding of our current situation is indicative that the USA is NOT what it used to be under the constitution for which it was built from. That said, one can deduce that if we were supposed to follow the Constitution in its original form to its very word, and we cannot due to political/federal interference, then we are and for a while have been, in a basic sense, under domestic terrorist attack, which should have been staved under the oath of our armed forces, organized and unorganized.

Remember:

We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.

You are Very right, do NOT get me wrong here. I'm just saying that if we as a people acted in our capacity as described by our Constitution, we would be cut down as domestic terrorists, when in fact the real terrorism is what we follow at the White House.

There are well trained, educated, informed, and prepared militias out there. Part of being well trained and educated is knowing to your damn mouths shut and not advertise your group.

Yep. OPSEC is of Primary importance in every sense of the word. What gets me is how foolish most think that bragging of their possessions and preps will somehow give them brownie points. I mean come on, the media is a political end game any way you look at it. No matter what, any copy of transpirations will no doubt find its way into the hands of those not privy to its information. Why risk you, your family, and those around you???

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Make yourself strong and able and help your friends and family become strong and able.

I am not drawn to the idea of joining a militia. I am drawn to the idea of making sure my brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, cousins and neighbors and friends are as strong as possible. I think strong communities are the way to go, far better than artificial groups of motivated strangers. If I lose my job, the river threatens the house, or the chinese para drop in by the battalion, these are the people I will be with and rely on.

Everyone is different. If you want to join a group of strangers with some paramilitary intent, fine by me and good luck.

 

[spectre327]

Make yourself strong and able and help your friends and family become strong and able.

I am not drawn to the idea of joining a militia. I am drawn to the idea of making sure my brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, cousins and neighbors and friends are as strong as possible. I think strong communities are the way to go, far better than artificial groups of motivated strangers. If I lose my job, the river threatens the house, or the chinese para drop in by the battalion, these are the people I will be with and rely on.

Everyone is different. If you want to join a group of strangers with some paramilitary intent, fine by me and good luck.

No that is absolutely not what I am talking about.

I am talking about educating people in my community and helping them develop their own means of self reliance while building a sense of comradery (I think i spelled that wrong lol) so if SHTF for any reason, be it a natural disaster or commie paradrop, we can all help each other without expending nesessary supplies thata would impact the future of our own families.

I say militia because in the event of a situation where militiristic action should be taken, we as a community could band together and actually accomplish a common goal with correct leadership and training expediently, and not with days or weeks of preparing. Hell, how many do you know can not only shoot a gun but shoot dead straight under pressure?

Prepping supplies and force-on-force action is paramount to survival. I don't care what anyone says, you can have all the food and guns you want, but if you bug in/out and your house is raided and/or set ablaze those supplies are gone...period! And if you are threatened by looters, or worse, armed "guests", and you cannot put your life saving round in the right place at the right time, you and your family are dead.

Surviving a natural or terrorist threat is more than hunkering down with food and water. it is also knowing what to do when things go from bad to 'F'ed" up!

 

[6mm Shoot]

As a young man I joined a group that turned out to be about selling stuff. If they couldn't sell you stuff you were not welcome in the group. They didn't say that. You just were not told about this training and that outing because you didn't have the stuff they sold.

Then there was the egos that were clashing to be in charge. Also there was the sucking up to the people in power to improve there standing.

There were voting blocks created for people to get there way.

Now I would say that I would like to join a group that were like minded if that stuff could be worked out. I just don't see it working out any deferent than before.

If you have a group there has to be a charge to get things dun. Where money is there are people that want to be in charge of it and they want things dun there way.

I understand what you want to do and I would like to belong. It is just that what I went through in the past has left a very bad taste in my mouth and I will not do it again.

If you have 100 people and you charge $50 a month for dues. That is $5000 a month and that is $60,000 a year. Not a lot of money but still enough to make people nuts on what to do with it. Some will want to buy a bug out location. Others will want to buy stock piles of food and ammo and so on. The one I belonged to was about 400. That works out to be about $240,000 a year.

I wish you luck with what ever you decide.

 

[10-32]

As a young man I joined a group that turned out to be about selling stuff. If they couldn't sell you stuff you were not welcome in the group. They didn't say that. You just were not told about this training and that outing because you didn't have the stuff they sold.

Then there was the egos that were clashing to be in charge. Also there was the sucking up to the people in power to improve there standing.

There were voting blocks created for people to get there way.

Now I would say that I would like to join a group that were like minded if that stuff could be worked out. I just don't see it working out any deferent than before.

If you have a group there has to be a charge to get things dun. Where money is there are people that want to be in charge of it and they want things dun there way.

I understand what you want to do and I would like to belong. It is just that what I went through in the past has left a very bad taste in my mouth and I will not do it again.

If you have 100 people and you charge $50 a month for dues. That is $5000 a month and that is $60,000 a year. Not a lot of money but still enough to make people nuts on what to do with it. Some will want to buy a bug out location. Others will want to buy stock piles of food and ammo and so on. The one I belonged to was about 400. That works out to be about $240,000 a year.

I wish you luck with what ever you decide.

Amway will get you every time.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Make yourself strong and able and help your friends and family become strong and able.

I am not drawn to the idea of joining a militia. I am drawn to the idea of making sure my brothers and sisters, nieces and nephews, cousins and neighbors and friends are as strong as possible. I think strong communities are the way to go, far better than artificial groups of motivated strangers. If I lose my job, the river threatens the house, or the chinese para drop in by the battalion, these are the people I will be with and rely on.

Everyone is different. If you want to join a group of strangers with some paramilitary intent, fine by me and good luck.

You just cut to the heart of the matter. Earlier in our history, a family dinner was the assembly of the above-mentioned people eating, church was the assembly of the above-mentioned people at prayer, and the militia was the assembly of the above-mentioned people at the range or responding to a time of danger (like invasion, for example). This is what you are looking for rather than a membership-keeping, card-issuing, dues-paying collection of disparate individuals gathering together to play soldier.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

Spectre327, I'm not trying to pick on you, but the militaristic part gives me the willies. I do not like hierarchy and I think that is a big part of it. Hierarchy is efficient, but its dangerous.

I wholeheartedly recommend taking classes to learn new skills and paying close attention to how those skills are taught. When you get home, teach those skills to your people. Everyone needs to know first aid and CPR, the more the better. Marksmanship classes are fun too as are wilderness survival classes and orienteering. I have Ham radio classes on my short list of classes that I am going to take.

Hell, how many do you know can not only shoot a gun but shoot dead straight under pressure?

Thank you for asking. It made me feel all warm and glowy inside.
I live near Bedford and in some circles, that answers the question.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

You just cut to the heart of the matter. Earlier in our history, a family dinner was the assembly of the above-mentioned people eating, church was the assembly of the above-mentioned people at prayer, and the militia was the assembly of the above-mentioned people at the range or responding to a time of danger (like invasion, for example). This is what you are looking for rather than a membership-keeping, card-issuing, dues-paying collection of disparate individuals gathering together to play soldier.

Yes, thank you for expressing the thought. I will probably steal your explanation .

The militia is who shows up when you ring the bell.

 

[IndyDave1776]

Yes, thank you for expressing the thought. I will probably steal your explanation .

The militia is who shows up when you ring the bell.

A wise man once said that creativity is the art of concealing your sources. Get all the mileage you can from it!

 

[spectre327]

Spectre327, I'm not trying to pick on you, but the militaristic part gives me the willies. I do not like hierarchy and I think that is a big part of it. Hierarchy is efficient, but its dangerous.

I wholeheartedly recommend taking classes to learn new skills and paying close attention to how those skills are taught. When you get home, teach those skills to your people. Everyone needs to know first aid and CPR, the more the better. Marksmanship classes are fun too as are wilderness survival classes and orienteering. I have Ham radio classes on my short list of classes that I am going to take.


Thank you for asking. It made me feel all warm and glowy inside.
I live near Bedford and in some circles, that answers the question.

I didn't take offense, I know it isn't exactly easy to express a full range of emotion over the intardnets.

When I say militaristic, I guess that would be the wrong word. What I meant was combat ready. There really cannot be any hierarchy anyway as there is no ay to show worth on that level. I support the use and extensive use of tactical firearms training and force on force to properly mold people into capable armed men and women so as to avoid friendly fire and promote teamwork and confidence.

I never meant to say that my group if i were to start one, would be some hokey pokey crazy gun toting zealot "militia". For heavens sakes in all honesty, they misuse the term militia in its own right. We are ALL part of the unorganized militia. We just lack the network and organized capabilities to bring to bear our arms when it's needed most.

 

[The Bubba Effect]

I never meant to say that my group if i were to start one, would be some hokey pokey crazy gun toting zealot "militia". For heavens sakes in all honesty, they misuse the term militia in its own right. We are ALL part of the unorganized militia.

I agree with this.
Plus, repp'd for using the term "hokey pokey".

 

[spectre327]

I agree with this.
Plus, repp'd for using the term "hokey pokey".

Hahaha thanks

 

[DMarines007]

I would be all about joining a group to privately uphold the Constitution if needed. Oath Keepers is an OK organization that I joined but am interesting in something local as well.

Semper Fi!

 

[aaronhall84]

Hello Gentlemen! My name is Aaron Hall, I am a 8 year veteran of the active duty army Infantry and a current member of the Indiana Sons of Liberty and I have noticed several threads on this website that have not shed a lot of light on militia groups in Indiana so I am going to take a few minutes to shed some on the group that I am in. I am not here attempting to recruit anyone! First, when someone says the "Indiana militia" they need to realize that there are literally a dozen militia groups in our state. So please do not think that the actions of one individual in one group is the beliefs of anyone else in any of the other groups. Second several of people have attempted to recruit from this website and not replied to any one questions, why I do not know but I will do my best to reply to any questions that anyone has. Ok here is our mission statement from our basic manual, ISL MISSION STATEMENT: The mission of ISL is to provide information, training, and basic organization to "The People" to ensure a timely and effective response to community emergencies. Next is a brief summery of what we are and are not, The Indiana Sons of Liberty is a common sense militia. The ISL is completely volunteer and has no
official connection or affiliation with any government agency. Because of how different the ISL is, by
comparison to other militia groups, the ISL has very little contact and NO operational affiliation with
any other militias, in or out of the State of Indiana.
The ISL is a group of Americans that are truly committed to the best interests of their neighbors and
local community. The People that make up the ISL are all common sense individuals, a mix of prior
service military, emergency service professionals, law enforcement personnel, and average people
from all across the State of Indiana. ISL members are dedicated, self-sufficient, highly motivated
citizens that function together as a team without the aid from any government agency. The members
of the ISL are prepared to protect and support their community should the need arise.
If you are an American, if you believe in and support the Constitutions for the United States and the
great State of Indiana, and you believe in a smaller, less intrusive government, then you are welcome
in the Indiana Sons of Liberty.
The ISL…
• is NOT a terrorist training network;
• is NOT a neo-Nazi, racist, or skin head organization;
• is NOT the National Guard or any other form of government agency;
• is NOT a private army subject to the dictates of any individual, cooperation, or other group;
• is NOT a religious or political launch pad;
• is NOT a group of paranoid, conspiracy theorists;
• is NOT a supporter the United Nations or any form of “one world” or socialist government;
• IS a supporter of the 5 branches of the U.S. Armed Forces;
• IS a response mechanism in the event of a disaster
• IS a communications network.
We would never steal, trespass on, or harm another individual or their property even in the event of open conflict with an invading force against our state. We believe in taking care of first our family, second our community, and third our state. Currently I am the 72nd BN Commander for the counties of Clark and Scott (Which just means that I am the guy that does all of the work to make stuff happen as we do not consider our rank structure to be formal until such time that it becomes necessary) so please feel free to contact me at patriotcustomoutdoors@mail.com or 315-777-7928 with any questions that you may have or I will do my best to answer them on this forum. Thank you for your time!

 

[IndyDave1776]

Add weapons and you have...The Wright Militia!