The Real Costs of Electric Car Ownership - CNET

[Born2vette]

One other important fact you are leaving out of the equation is where is your electricity going to come from when .gov closes the coal and gas fired electric plants?



Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/print.php?sid=IN

The libs don’t like nuclear energy so that has been stalled for what, 25-30 years? Is solar and wind going to replace ICE electric plants? Not in the near-mid term future Most of the solar panels are made in China. We already can’t meet peak demand, this will just get worse as we switch to green electric production. What will the price per Kwh be in the future?

In my area the rich libs that drive the Teslas raised an uproar when Duke was looking for a route to supply more electricity so they could charge their cars and run their a/c and they said NIMBY even thought their 6000 + sq ft homes were the biggest users.

My wife replaced her car this year. Really wanted the hybrid version but after waiting 7 months and not being able to get one with the color and equipment she wanted and had to buy a gas one more loaded than she wanted (yes, she is picky but also spent almost $60 k of her money for it). She actually likes driving this one better than her “old” hybrid. With the miles we drive this should last us the rest of our driving lives (We are getting old).

 

[indyblue]

One other important fact you are leaving out of the equation is where is your electricity going to come from when .gov closes the coal and gas fired electric plants?

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Source: https://www.eia.gov/state/print.php?sid=IN

The libs don’t like nuclear energy so that has been stalled for what, 25-30 years? Is solar and wind going to replace ICE electric plants? Not in the near-mid term future Most of the solar panels are made in China. We already can’t meet peak demand, this will just get worse as we switch to green electric production. What will the price per Kwh be in the future?

In my area the rich libs that drive the Teslas raised an uproar when Duke was looking for a route to supply more electricity so they could charge their cars and run their a/c and they said NIMBY even thought their 6000 + sq ft homes were the biggest users.

My wife replaced her car this year. Really wanted the hybrid version but after waiting 7 months and not being able to get one with the color and equipment she wanted and had to buy a gas one more loaded than she wanted (yes, she is picky but also spent almost $60 k of her money for it). She actually likes driving this one better than her “old” hybrid. With the miles we drive this should last us the rest of our driving lives (We are getting old).

My girlfriends son is a lineman for AES (IPL) going on 10 years now. He’s already mentioned that there’s no way that this demand can be met and that the underground lines that feed neighborhoods could never handle the added load not to mention the service drops to those neighborhoods can’t handle it either. It will be prohibitively expensive to dig any of that up and replace it With higher capacity cable. From the power company’s perspective, they have no motivation to do so, they would either lose money for decades, or cause electricity rates to “necessarily skyrocket”.

 

[Ingomike]

You linked several posts to CA. I was under the impression that we live in Indiana. Do you go through a background check to buy ammo? Do you see that happening inevitably? You have to use the same logic across all laws if you're going to paint the California brush on all topics.

Have you not watched the California BS get picked up by the feds in the form of CAFE and pollution standards?

Indiana has water coming out of the ground, adjoins the largest freshwater lake system in the world, and sits on one of the largest underground aquifers in the world. Tell me again how free I am to buy a toilet that uses several gallons of water to flush instead of a liter or so.

But that template couldn’t possibly be used on cars. Get real.

 

[Ingomike]

I think the biggest point that's being overlooked is the ability to eventually get off the oil reliance on the middle east.

We were a net exporter during the roaring Trump years…

 

[indyblue]

Have you not watched the California BS get picked up by the feds in the form of CAFE and pollution standards?

Indiana has water coming out of the ground, adjoins the largest freshwater lake system in the world, and sits on one of the largest underground aquifers in the world. Tell me again how free I am to buy a toilet that uses several gallons of water to flush instead of a liter or so.

But that template couldn’t possibly be used on cars. Get real.

We will be a net exporter again soon.

https://www.reuters.com/business/energy/us-poised-become-net-exporter-crude-oil-2023-2022-12-19/

Sales of U.S. crude to other nations are now a record 3.4 million barrels per day (bpd), with exports of about 3 million bpd of refined products like gasoline and diesel fuel. The United States is also the leading liquefied natural gas (LNG) exporter, where growth is expected to soar in coming years.

But the United States consumes 20 million barrels of crude a day, the most in the world, and its output has never exceeded 13 million bpd. Until recently, the idea that it would be anything but a big crude importer was folly.

Last month, U.S. government data showed net U.S. crude oil imports fell to 1.1 million barrels per day (bpd), the lowest since record keeping began in 2001. That is down sharply from five years ago, when the United States imported more than 7 million barrels per day

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[indyblue]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-vehicles-2035-1.7063993

Canada lays out plan to phase out sales of gas-powered cars, trucks by 2035​

New rules will effectively end sales of vehicles powered only by gasoline or diesel by 2035​

Good luck with that, especially in their cold climate. And there is no electrical infrastructure for long distances on most of their remote highways.

How long before they reverse this decision? Any bets?

 

[Ingomike]

“Audi’s new CEO announced Tuesday that the company would be imposing a “slowdown” in EV production and development to “avoid burdening” factories and dealerships, according to Electrek. Audi initially had announced that out of 20 new models through 2026, 10 would be electric. Instead, it’ll now be focusing more heavily on hybrids and internal combustion cars.

Yet Another Major Car Manufacturer Hits Pause On EV Development

In yet another blow to Joe Biden's obsessive push for electric cars, a major car manufacturer has drastically scaled back EV plans.

www.outkick.com

 

[JCSR]

https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/canada-electric-vehicles-2035-1.7063993

Good luck with that, especially in their cold climate. And there is no electrical infrastructure for long distances on most of their remote highways.

How long before they reverse this decision? Any bets?

I think they'll go on with it and it will fail and a lot of people will get rich.

 

[Ingomike]

I think they'll go on with it and it will fail and a lot of people will get rich.

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”​

― C. S. Lewis

 

[Ingomike]

The government doesn't dictate what manufactures decide to build.

Is it not clear from the posts in this thread that the free market is not in play with EV’s?

 

[JCSR]

This is not how it's supposed to work........

GM buys out nearly half of its Buick dealers across the country, who opt to not sell EVs

GM said nearly half of its Buick dealers opted to take a buyout rather than invest in an all-electric future.

www.freep.com

 

[actaeon277]

“Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience.”​

― C. S. Lewis

That looks familiar

 

[ghitch75]

this would have run the price electric way up....

Indiana's Merom Generating Station, along the state's western border, is a 40-year-old coal-fired plant. Its retirement was announced in 2020, with the plant slated to go offline in 2023. Then in 2022, that course was reversed. The utility that owned Merom sold the plant to a coal company to continue operating.

 

[oze]

That looks familiar

It pops up in several different threads on INGO from time to time.

 

[jamil]

This is not how it's supposed to work........

GM buys out nearly half of its Buick dealers across the country, who opt to not sell EVs

GM said nearly half of its Buick dealers opted to take a buyout rather than invest in an all-electric future.

www.freep.com

GM keeps marching towards a cliff. Those dealers happily sold their stores to GM, because they see the writing on the wall. They see a future where EV's sit on the lot and they have to eat the cost for that. Might as well get what you can and let GM take the losses.

 

[JCSR]

GM keeps marching towards a cliff. Those dealers happily sold their stores to GM, because they see the writing on the wall. They see a future where EV's sit on the lot and they have to eat the cost for that. Might as well get what you can and let GM take the losses.

Yes and .gov will bail them out once again if necessary.

 

[KLB]

GM keeps marching towards a cliff. Those dealers happily sold their stores to GM, because they see the writing on the wall. They see a future where EV's sit on the lot and they have to eat the cost for that. Might as well get what you can and let GM take the losses.

Probably had more to do with having to spend a minimum of $300-400K to outfit their dealerships to do it.

Some Buick dealers take buyouts rather than big EV investment

General Motors is telling Buick dealers it expects a $300,000 to $400,000 investment in their stores on equipment to sell EVs.

www.freep.com

General Motors is telling Buick dealers it expects a $300,000 to $400,000 investment in their stores on equipment to sell EVs.

 

[oze]

Yes and .gov will bail them out once again if necessary.

The legacy auto makers are still losing their collective asses on every EV sold. If you're looking for one reason why the average transaction price for new vehicles is north of $40 grand, ICE vehicle sales are being used to subsidize these losses. Until EVs are profitable. Whenever that is.

 

[indyblue]

I think autosteer is one of the dumbest "features" to ever have been allowed on a vehicle and this proves it. If you’re too f'n lazy to actually pay attention and drive a car, stay out of cars and off the roads. Sheesh!

IMO, all first year drivers should only be allowed to operate manual transmission cars to gain the multitasking skills required to drive safely.

Tesla Has The Highest Accident Rate Of Any Auto Brand

Tesla drivers had 23.54 accidents per 1,000 drivers, a study found. Tesla recently recalled 2 million vehicles over problems with its autonomous driving functionality.

www.forbes.com

 

[actaeon277]

It pops up in several different threads on INGO from time to time.

You mean like... in my sig line?