Should Have Been a DGU? Road Rage Incident, McDonalds Drive Through, Bedford, IN

[chipbennett]

Searched, but didn't find anything already posted.

Should have been a defensive gun use?

https://www.wthr.com/article/marine-corps-veteran-killed-in-shooting-outside-bedford-mcdonalds

The victim, 25-year-old Justin Lampkins, was in his truck with friends, three vehicles back at the drive-through.


Suspect Evan Schaffer was in the first truck. When cars weren't moving up to the window, "a horn was sounded. The accused got out of the first pick up truck and went back to the third truck which the victim was in and engaged and battered the victim. Punched him," according to Bedford assistant police chief Joe DeWees.


Police say it's not clear who honked the horn.


They say Shafer then walked away from the former Marine he'd just allegedly punched. They say friends tried to calm the suspect down but he went back to Justin's truck.


"The victim shoved the accused back, the accused then presented a handgun," said DeWees.


Police say Schaffer fired, fatally wounding the former Marine in the chest.

What are the odds that Mr. Hothead wasn't a "proper person"? (At the very least, how drunk/high do you have to be to road rage enough in a freaking drive-through line, that you would shoot someone for honking a horn?)

 

[CMB69]

Do not see how Mr. Shafer can make a legitimate self defense claim.

 

[oldpink]

He's going to prison, hopefully for a very long time.
We don't need such people in our community.

 

[saintnick81]

He's out on bond from a felony arson charge and also has a warrant out of Minnesota for carrying without a permit. Times Mail reporting that they have added charges in addition to murder, including carrying a handgun without a license.

Security Video Captures Murder, Schaffer Also Wanted In Minnesota - WBIW.com / Local

 

[Joniki]

I always leave a car length or so in front of me at a drive through just for this reason. If something happens, I do not want to be blocked in. About half of the time the cars behind me blow their horn and motion for me to pull up.

I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone is in such a big hurry these days.

 

[DRob]

"Stupid is as stupid does" was never more appropriate.

 

[gregkl]

I always leave a car length or so in front of me at a drive through just for this reason. If something happens, I do not want to be blocked in. About half of the time the cars behind me blow their horn and motion for me to pull up.

I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone is in such a big hurry these days.

I always leave enough room so that I can see pavement between my car and the car in front of me. This allows me to get out of the lane if someone is going to rear end me and also provides a way out if I have to make a hasty get away.

My brother and I disagree on this. He thinks people should tighten up at intersection to allow more through the lights. I say leave room and when the light turns then tighten up going through and back off on the other side maintaining proper following distance.

Sad that a group of people are now without a loved one due to stuff like this. I'm not sure if the Marine was ever deployed but I find it particularly bad when a servicemen deploys into combat, comes back whole and then gets killed by some dirtbag at home.

 

[DeadeyeChrista'sdad]

Condolences to Mr. Lampkins' family.

 

[JettaKnight]

I always leave a car length or so in front of me at a drive through just for this reason. If something happens, I do not want to be blocked in. About half of the time the cars behind me blow their horn and motion for me to pull up.

I can't for the life of me figure out why everyone is in such a big hurry these days.

Better solution: Avoid the drive through altogether. If you have to eat that crap, at least be on foot where you have better mobility and are away from the fray know as the drive through. Especially if half the time you're the subject of people's ire; you've already made yourself a target of rage.



PS - I blame the shooter's neck beard.

 

[yeahbaby]

I always leave enough room so that I can see pavement between my car and the car in front of me. This allows me to get out of the lane if someone is going to rear end me and also provides a way out if I have to make a hasty get away.

Yep, at stop lights everywhere. Then you have the people that get 2 inches off of your rear bumper.

 

[HoughMade]

Discussion started here:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-good-happens-after-midnight.html#post7065220

 

[chipbennett]

He's out on bond from a felony arson charge and also has a warrant out of Minnesota for carrying without a permit. Times Mail reporting that they have added charges in addition to murder, including carrying a handgun without a license.

Security Video Captures Murder, Schaffer Also Wanted In Minnesota - WBIW.com / Local

What?!? Not a "proper person"? This is my shocked face.

 

[chipbennett]

Discussion started here:

https://www.indianagunowners.com/fo...-good-happens-after-midnight.html#post7065220

Well, sort of... in a mega thread, with no relevant searchable keywords.

 

[spec4]

I'd say have the trial and electrocute this goof.

 

[HoughMade]

Well, sort of... in a mega thread, with no relevant searchable keywords.

...except "Bedford"

Not a "dupe". I remembered the discussion. I just thought that if someone was interested in the incident, they may want to read about it there as well.

 

[EPeter213]

Wrong thread. oops.

 

[GodFearinGunTotin]

To close the loop on this one:

Evan Schaffer was found guilty of murder. Took about an hour and a half to return the verdict.