Russia vs. Ukraine Part 3

[Leadeye]

I've been waiting for someone to make man portable tiny radars and small diameter rockets for knocking quadcopters down. They're slow, low altitude, and fragile.

But how could you ever blanket a city? Radar has shadows. You can use terrain and structures to conceal your approach. I have yet to see the radar system that can pick out a DGI flying below canopy level through a forest or between the floors of a parking garage.

Good question. I could see bad guys pounding a town like Houston and putting refining out of business for a while in places. It's much worse than hitting the grid even though there is no immediate problem for most of the country. Electrical guys are pretty good at repairing damage that I've seen. Cleaning up, replacing damaged parts, testing and then restarting a refinery looks slow by comparison. That's not counting green crazies and their lawyers suing to keep you from rebuilding.

 

[Ark]

Good question. I could see bad guys pounding a town like Houston and putting refining out of business for a while in places. It's much worse than hitting the grid even though there is no immediate problem for most of the country. Electrical guys are pretty good at repairing damage that I've seen. Cleaning up, replacing damaged parts, testing and then restarting a refinery looks slow by comparison. That's not counting green crazies and their lawyers suing to keep you from rebuilding.

Refineries are made out of heavy gauge metal stuff, you can't really knock them out with tiny little frag munitions. Electrical stations can be arced with towed cables but even that doesn't really wreck anything permanently.

But the squishy humans who service all those things are very vulnerable. Imagine trying to enforce a 4km wide exclusion area around every substation, against threats the size of a frisbee. Not being able to fix minor damage without a full squad of dudes with a backpack radar and anti drone munitions posted up. Imagine paying some schmo electrician drone drop hazard rates.

The leverage ratio of cost of weapon system to cost of response is staggering. It's just that nobody has coughed up the will and the modest price tag to do it yet. I'm honestly surprised the Ukrainians don't have small teams doing these kind of ops behind Russian borders.

 

[actaeon277]

Refineries are made out of heavy gauge metal stuff, you can't really knock them out with tiny little frag munitions. Electrical stations can be arced with towed cables but even that doesn't really wreck anything permanently.

But the squishy humans who service all those things are very vulnerable. Imagine trying to enforce a 4km wide exclusion area around every substation, against threats the size of a frisbee. Not being able to fix minor damage without a full squad of dudes with a backpack radar and anti drone munitions posted up. Imagine paying some schmo electrician drone drop hazard rates.

The leverage ratio of cost of weapon system to cost of response is staggering. It's just that nobody has coughed up the will and the modest price tag to do it yet. I'm honestly surprised the Ukrainians don't have small teams doing these kind of ops behind Russian borders.

WWII attacks on German heavy industry achieved minimal success, due to the fact that much of the damage was limited in scope.

 

[DadSmith]

Major Victory For Russian Army As Ukraine Forces Flee Eastern City | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Meanwhile in the EU...

EU "Suicide Pact" Threatens To Flood Continent With 75 Million More Migrants | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

Little dictator is not happy.

Zelenskyy takes an apparent dig at Congress over military aid: 'Dictators do not go on vacation'

Ukraine President Volodymyr Zelenskyy took an apparent swipe at Congress over its stalemate on foreign aid.

www.yahoo.com

Personally the more they fight the better. That's how our system of government works best. Bipartisanship is bad for the country IMO. Things should take a long time to pass not because it feels right at the time.

 

[smokingman]

Things should take a long time to pass not because it feels right at the time.

Not to mention so they actually have time to read and understand what it is they are passing. That part gets skipped quite often unfortunately.

Back to Russian/Ukraine

Medvedev Warns Of Nukes On Berlin, London & Washington Before Russia Would Return To 1991 Borders | ZeroHedge

ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero

www.zerohedge.com

 

[INPatriot]

""Forward", he cried from the rear
And the front rank died
The general sat and the lines on the map
Moved from side to side"
-- Rick Wright and Roger Waters

Though I abhor their politics. Us and Them is a great song!

 

[Brad69]

Looks like the Russkies are starting to gain ground on their cousins.
T55’s are on the battlefield human wave attacks it appears the Russians have returned to WWII. That tactic seems to work ask the Germans.

Question what does (win) mean in Ukraine?

Pushing the Russians out of Ukraine ?

Invading Russia and removing Putin?

Fight for years just to reach a peace deal that changes nothing ?

The Russians overrun the country and remove the little dictator and handout master that's in charge now ?

When do we stop making the Ukraine payroll ?

 

[rhamersley]

Awkward: Putin And Zelenskyy Both Show Up At Same Biden Rally

DETROIT, MI — In a terribly awkward moment, Russian President Vladimir Putin and Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy both showed up to cheer at the same campaign rally for President Joe Biden.

babylonbee.com

 

[DadSmith]

White House previews ‘major sanctions’ against Russia for Navalny death - Washington Examiner

John Kirby told reporters that the White House would announce "a major sanctions package ... to hold Russia accountable for what happened to Mr. Navalny."

www.washingtonexaminer.com

Biden is really going to crack down on Russian oil now.
We will not buy any Russian oil until its been refined by India. That should fix them.

 

[Brad69]

So a hard line Commie is killed by his government. But somehow we are upset about it and want to punish a foreign country.

Meanwhile New York changed a law to persecute a former President and we are good with it.

Clown World

BTW
Russians have taken another village and captured a Bradley!

 

[Brad69]

Looks like things are not going well for the freedom loving people of Ukraine ?

If we just make payroll for government employees and retirees I bet they could “win” ?

 

[Kdf101]

If ukraine Gets defeated too soon, we will have to look for another war to keep the kickbacks coming.

 

[DadSmith]

Russia orders Navalny mourners to ‘register for military service’ - Washington Examiner

Some of the Russian citizens who mourned, in public, the death of Alexei Navalny have been arrested and ordered to "register for military service," per reports.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[DadSmith]

Costs of War: States with the most to gain from Ukraine aid legislation have lawmakers who voted against it

U.S. cities and states that stand to benefit the most from Ukraine aid are represented by lawmakers who have voted against funding packages.

www.washingtonexaminer.com

 

[Brad69]

Looks like a few thousand Ukrainians retreated without orders.
They just decided to haul a$$ left behind lots of ammo and vehicles.

 

[DragonGunner]

The average age of an Ukraine soldier is now 47. How long before it hits 72? All the $$$ and supply ain’t saving Ukraine. I say stop the $$$ and give back the nukes Ukraine gave up. Then Ukraine and Russia can sort it out.

 

[Leadeye]

The average age of an Ukraine soldier is now 47. How long before it hits 72? All the $$$ and supply ain’t saving Ukraine. I say stop the $$$ and give back the nukes Ukraine gave up. Then Ukraine and Russia can sort it out.

While that's tempting, nobody wants a nuke to go off anywhere unless they are shorting markets world wide.

 

[DragonGunner]

While that's tempting, nobody wants a nuke to go off anywhere unless they are shorting markets world wide.

Exactly my point. Just how badly does Putin want to get nuked? Or Ukraine? Or Ukraine can just surrender and let a huge purge take place. Russia and Ukraine both get nuked then that’s there. That might solve a problem also.

 

[Ark]

The average age of an Ukraine soldier is now 47. How long before it hits 72? All the $$$ and supply ain’t saving Ukraine. I say stop the $$$ and give back the nukes Ukraine gave up. Then Ukraine and Russia can sort it out.

Dude my body is so freaking beat already and I'm not even 35. I cannot imagine dragging AT4s and PKMs through trenches under 50 pounds of kevlar and gear 12 years from now.

 

[smokingman]

No mention of the Polish border blockade stopping trucks and rail though? Nope it is Republicans fault. In the EU news they are blaming Polish farmers and truckers,as they have been blockading even railways. There have been very few road crossings even open since November through Poland....yet "Republicans"

‘Morning Joe’ Blames Russian Advances in Ukraine on GOP

“Those two people are what stands between Congress passing aid and not passing aid to help the Ukrainian people,” Joe Scarborough says

www.thewrap.com

Polish farmers block Ukraine’s border in protest against grain imports

Farmers are angry at what they say is unfair competition from cheaper imports from Poland’s war-torn neighbour and ally.

www.aljazeera.com

Frontline Troops in Ukraine Feel Bite of Polish Truckers’ Protest

A border blockade by haulers angry that the European Union has suspended a permit system for their Ukrainian counterparts has led to problems with deliveries of wartime supplies.

www.nytimes.com

But...more money for the grift will fix it!